Since when did a Mongrel start getting posh names

Faith177

Since they could charge a fortune for them

My male malmute is actually classed as a Malaberian (alaskan malmute/siberian husky cross) but he was a rescue so was nothing but to buy one is as much as a normal husky about £600

ska_lover

Yes its financial I think too or maybe a hint of fakery & poshness lol.

I have a springer spaniel x Labrador and they are apparently called ''springerdores'' - I don't refer to my dog as that, and took her on as a mongrel - I only noticed the springadore name when I saw them advertised in the local paper for several hundred pounds

Caroline_a

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

Ahhhhhh apparently these "Designer" dogs have to be bred from two pure breed dogs.... So "Allegedly" it is not a mongrel if the parents are both pure bred

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dog_crossbreeds

Some interesting names....

Some of those aren't correct - an Irish Wolfhound is a breed in its own right, not a crossbreed, as are Rough Collies and Shelties

And these people here look like they are out to make as much money as possible!!

mtbbuxton

Caroline_a wrote: »

Some of those aren't correct - an Irish Wolfhound is a breed in its own right, not a crossbreed, as are Rough Collies and Shelties

And these people here look like they are out to make as much money as possible!!

It does say "originating of crossbreeds and now sustained independently of the parent breeds" so they're not saying they're fancy cross breeds. Using that premise though, almost all modern Pedigrees could be classed as cross breeds, including my own whippet, the origins of which are believed to be a greyhound/terrier cross I understand that the Irish Wolfhound came very close to dying out in the 1800's and numbers were increased by adding other breeds to the existing gene pool - the Deerhound and Great Dane amongst them.

M x

lostinrates

mtbbuxton wrote: »

It does say "originating of crossbreeds and now sustained independently of the parent breeds" so they're not saying they're fancy cross breeds. Using that premise though, almost all modern Pedigrees could be classed as cross breeds, including my own whippet, the origins of which are believed to be a greyhound/terrier cross I understand that the Irish Wolfhound came very close to dying out in the 1800's and numbers were increased by adding other breeds to the existing gene pool - the Deerhound and Great Dane amongst them.

M x

This really is how all breeds originate. Permitted outcrosses for health and breed regeneration Imo are slightly different to indescribable breeding of dogs that is happening ATM, where we are breeding more for pets than purpose.

That said, I personally believe that more permitted outcrosses should be allowed AND registered under kc banner and that this way better records and checks can be brought in for the 'new breeds'. Its what's happened in the rest of Europe for a long time with horses in part bred registers. If breeders are producing something for sale that deserves a pedigree price it should be under the same scrutiny, and for the health of future generations of dogs we should see if any of these dogs Registerd on something like a category d partbred register would improve lines, and within say four generations might be eligible, if the physical type was suitable to exhibit as pure breeds again, adding breadth to gene pools. Particularly in smaller breeds, its worth considering.


Eg the silken wind hound on that list is a breed I'm quite interested in. It does fill a bit of a void in the sight hound group, its a long haired. smaller sight hound. Its an attractive little dog, its not yet recognised, I'd consider one in the future possibly, I've been interested in the breeding of it for a while, but not interested enough or able to get involved ( nor convinced the void needs filling, though I see its there...a saluki will do me fine)

Schnauzer

I thought the term mongrel was used on a dog with unknown parentage? :undecided:

elsien

I'm still working on my money making plan to cross a bull terrier and a shi tzu.
Then again, bull terriers were originally a "created" breed.

mtbbuxton

lostinrates wrote: »

This really is how all breeds originate. Permitted outcrosses for health and breed regeneration Imo are slightly different to indescribable breeding of dogs that is happening ATM, where we are breeding more for pets than purpose.

That said, I personally believe that more permitted outcrosses should be allowed AND registered under kc banner and that this way better records and checks can be brought in for the 'new breeds'. Its what's happened in the rest of Europe for a long time with horses in part bred registers. If breeders are producing something for sale that deserves a pedigree price it should be under the same scrutiny, and for the health of future generations of dogs we should see if any of these dogs Registerd on something like a category d partbred register would improve lines, and within say four generations might be eligible, if the physical type was suitable to exhibit as pure breeds again, adding breadth to gene pools. Particularly in smaller breeds, its worth considering.


Eg the silken wind hound on that list is a breed I'm quite interested in. It does fill a bit of a void in the sight hound group, its a long haired. smaller sight hound. Its an attractive little dog, its not yet recognised, I'd consider one in the future possibly, I've been interested in the breeding of it for a while, but not interested enough or able to get involved ( nor convinced the void needs filling, though I see its there...a saluki will do me fine)

I expect there are very few "true" breeds left any more, apart from perhaps the greyhound and one or two similarly old style working dogs. I agree that tighter regulations are needed to allow better control of the health and welfare of dogs being used to produce "designer dogs".
I'm another who loves the look of the Silken Windhound, but unless a cat friendly one shows up in the Rescue I volunteer with, I'm extremely unlikely to ever share my life with one

I often feel rather hypocritical referring to my mongrel as a lurcher, but justify it by reminding myself it describes a type of cross between a sighthound and working dog, rather than a cross between two specific breeds

M x

needing-help

I have a rescue cockapoo (it was an accident I meant to get another Greyhound!!) and I don't seem to be able to call him a crossbreed without people correcting me. The conversation usually starts with
Them "What breed is your dog"
Me " Hes a crossbreed"
Them "What cross?!
Me "Cocker spaniel x poodle"
Them "Oh you mean hes a cockapoo"
Me "Sigh.....yes I suppose so"

Sometimes its just easier to say cockapoo! :rotfl:

Person_one

needing-help wrote: »

I have a rescue cockapoo (it was an accident I meant to get another Greyhound!!) and I don't seem to be able to call him a crossbreed without people correcting me. The conversation usually starts with
Them "What breed is your dog"
Me " Hes a crossbreed"
Them "What cross?!
Me "Cocker spaniel x poodle"
Them "Oh you mean hes a cockapoo"
Me "Sigh.....yes I suppose so"

Sometimes its just easier to say cockapoo! :rotfl:

I'm always asked if one of mine is a cockapoo, no he's just a plain old boring poodle! Apparently people don't recognise them without the famous haircut anymore. I meet far more poodle crosses these days than actual poodles, you have to worry about where all the breeding b!tches are that are producing these first cross 'doodles' and 'poos'.

I'm a bit surprised the OP hasn't come across this before though, its been a trend in my area for at least 5 years, probably more.

(The cockatoos I meet do tend to have lovely temperaments, but my word I don't envy you having to deal with that coat!)