Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

quidsy

*max* wrote: »

I have read your posts. Nowhere have you based your assertions on facts. Without facts, it's all just empty words. Do you have any examples of what you are saying? Or is all of it based on belief rather than empirical proof?

You need "facts"?. open a history book, watch a documentary of how the british isles developed. Go on t'interwebs. Was this a serious question?

notanewuser

quidsy wrote: »

You need "facts"?. open a history book, watch a documentary of how the british isles developed. Go on t'interwebs. Was this a serious question?

A list of laws ensuring our freedom directly attributable to the Christian church will do.

Person_one

lostinrates wrote: »

I think it probable that people took opposition to things like slavery on a religious basis.

I think a lot of aid is Supplied via religious fundraising/ charities.

I'm sure if one thought about it there are plenty of examples ( as there are pretty grotty behaviour by people purportedly in the name of religions and by atheists. And by dogs. )

Personally, I think there have always been good people who want to help others, and selfish people who want to profit.

Both types use whatever systems are around at the time to achieve both ends. For a long time it just happened to be the church.

The church allowed good people to provide hospitals and schools and feed the poor. It also allowed bad people to abuse others and accumulate wealth and power for themselves.

The church itself, the religion, wasn't really responsible for either.

notanewuser

Equality laws - nope.
Gay marriage - definitely not.
Planning laws - nope.
Motoring laws - nope.
Minimum wage - nope.
Employment laws - nope.

quidsy

I have not atributed any laws specifically to the church & you'd be hard pressed to find where I have.

For the hard of hearing;

The development of our nation & race, culminating in the current rights & laws that we have in place today & the people that we are today is a result of being raised in this country. The country that for +1k years has had the church as one of it's influences.

Nicki

Mojisola wrote: »

And I find it sad that the Christians on here don't have enough empathy to understand why people who aren't in their club want to be able to have some control over what their children are exposed to at school.

I think you might be making huge assumptions about posters here. Has anyone identified themselves as a Christian on the thread? I don't think you need to be a practising Christian to think that NANU's stance that the school should stop holding a daily assembly and saying grace for all children rather than just withdrawing her child from this or sending her to a different school is completely unreasonable.

notanewuser wrote: »

I am being constantly harangued by people incapable of answering a clear question on here about why the current system is worthy of being kept. "We've done it for hundreds of years" isn't really a valid response.

Your post wasn't clear why you were posting the wiki page or for whose benefit, but fair enough.

I have given you a number of clear and coherent reasons why I personally think that the system you describe has educational benefit. The fact that you disagree doesn't make the reasons incomprehensible. Personally I think an understanding of Christianity (and other religions) is far more useful and relevant to any child than the ability to speak welsh but I am able to recognise there is a diversity of opinion. Which is also why I think parents should be able to choose to send their child to a school like the one you describe and that if you don't like that school you should send your child to one of the others a bit further away or not welsh medium, whose religious component is more in line with what you would like, or opt her out of those parts of the closer school but not unilaterally and without consultation with any other parents demand that the school change it's provision for everyone.

lostinrates

Nicki wrote: »

I think you might be making huge assumptions about posters here. Has anyone identified themselves as a Christian on the thread? .

Rather the contrary, a few have acknowledged we are not.

notanewuser

Nicki wrote: »

I think you might be making huge assumptions about posters here. Has anyone identified themselves as a Christian on the thread? I don't think you need to be a practising Christian to think that NANU's stance that the school should stop holding a daily assembly and saying grace for all children rather than just withdrawing her child from this or sending her to a different school is completely unreasonable.



I have given you a number of clear and coherent reasons why I personally think that the system you describe has educational benefit. The fact that you disagree doesn't make the reasons incomprehensible. Personally I think an understanding of Christianity (and other religions) is far more useful and relevant to any child than the ability to speak welsh but I am able to recognise there is a diversity of opinion. Which is also why I think parents should be able to choose to send their child to a school like the one you describe and that if you don't like that school you should send your child to one of the others a bit further away or not welsh medium, whose religious component is more in line with what you would like, or opt her out of those parts of the closer school but not unilaterally and without consultation with any other parents demand that the school change it's provision for everyone.

I'm not demanding the school change its provision........?

In fact, I said I'd be raising the issue with the Welsh Government, which is the body responsible overall for the requirement. Hurrah for the FoI Act (another non-church related piece of legislation).

I have also said, repeatedly, that I want DD to have an understanding of ALL religions, including Christianity. She doesn't need daily Christian prayers to achieve that though!

IIRC your clear reasons were that she'd know when to sit/stand during the lord's prayer and would find future colleagues' funerals easier to navigate?

moomoomama27

notanewuser wrote: »

Thanks for your really helpful input.

You dear, are most welcome! Glad to be of help

Nicki

notanewuser wrote: »

I'm not demanding the school change its provision........?

In fact, I said I'd be raising the issue with the Welsh Government, which is the body responsible overall for the requirement. Hurrah for the FoI Act (another non-church related piece of legislation).

I have also said, repeatedly, that I want DD to have an understanding of ALL religions, including Christianity. She doesn't need daily Christian prayers to achieve that though!

Raising it with the welsh parliament to what end?

To prevent all schools from holding a daily assembly and saying grace presumably? So no parents in Wales (or anywhere else) can choose to send their children to schools which are "welsh chapel" as jane pig described them. Despite the fact you have acknowledged that there are schools within easy travelling distance to you which don't have the religious component of the one you are considering but don't suit you as they aren't welsh medium.