Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

Nicki

notanewuser wrote: »

I'm not demanding the school change its provision........?

In fact, I said I'd be raising the issue with the Welsh Government, which is the body responsible overall for the requirement. Hurrah for the FoI Act (another non-church related piece of legislation).

I have also said, repeatedly, that I want DD to have an understanding of ALL religions, including Christianity. She doesn't need daily Christian prayers to achieve that though!

IIRC your clear reasons were that she'd know when to sit/stand during the lord's prayer and would find future colleagues' funerals easier to navigate?

And would understand religious references prevalent in literature art and music and have a more nuanced understanding of social political and psychological issues. Glad your grasp of detail hasn't let you down or your prejudice blinded you any!

moomoomama27

Nicki wrote: »

Raising it with the welsh parliament to what end?

To prevent all schools from holding a daily assembly and saying grace presumably? So no parents in Wales (or anywhere else) can choose to send their children to schools which are "welsh chapel" as jane pig described them. Despite the fact you have acknowledged that there are schools within easy travelling distance to you which don't have the religious component of the one you are considering but don't suit you as they aren't welsh medium.

I'm baffled by the OP stance, the poster seems adamant on being difficult, expecting everything to suit, rather than finding an alternative, which there are plenty of!

Mojisola

lostinrates wrote: »

I think it probable that people took opposition to things like slavery on a religious basis.

Only after the appalling trade in human beings had been thoroughly justified by the C of E.

It was the Quakers and other Non-conformists (who were marginalised by the C of E) who were responsible for changing attitudes. Left to the C of E, we might still have slaves.

Mojisola

Nicki wrote: »

Raising it with the welsh parliament to what end?

To prevent all schools from holding a daily assembly and saying grace presumably? So no parents in Wales (or anywhere else) can choose to send their children to schools which are "welsh chapel" as jane pig described them.

Yes - and the English parliament will eventually change the law as well, I hope.

Schools should be secular. Parents who want to raise their children in a particular faith can teach them at home and send them to Sunday School or other faith classes.

notanewuser

moomoomama27 wrote: »

I'm baffled by the OP stance, the poster seems adamant on being difficult, expecting everything to suit, rather than finding an alternative, which there are plenty of!

I'm very well aware what my choices are in relation to this school, thanks, and that if we decide down the line that it isn't the right place for DD (whether we remove her from religious practices or not), we can homeschool.

What are the other alternatives?

There are no welsh schools that don't have any religious instruction.

If there are plenty, as you say, I'll expect a nice full list in response. Off you go then.

lostinrates

notanewuser wrote: »

Equality laws - nope.
Gay marriage - definitely not.
Planning laws - nope.
Motoring laws - nope.
Minimum wage - nope.
Employment laws - nope.

I don't follow much to do with churches, but there has been coverage of various denominations or people with in the church stance on minimum and living wage. Likewise gay marriage ( I think a vicar was one of the earliest to get married, good for him if so) I'd say the others very much would be applicable to doing as you would be done by and people could apply a teaching from any faith or non faith moral approach really.

notanewuser

Nicki wrote: »

Raising it with the welsh parliament to what end?

To prevent all schools from holding a daily assembly and saying grace presumably? So no parents in Wales (or anywhere else) can choose to send their children to schools which are "welsh chapel" as jane pig described them. Despite the fact you have acknowledged that there are schools within easy travelling distance to you which don't have the religious component of the one you are considering but don't suit you as they aren't welsh medium.

It's not a parliament, but anyway.

Ideally, I'd like each school to consult with parents to ask what they want, as they do in Scotland. For non-faith schools, the baseline would be no worship, unless expressly wanted by the majority of the parents of children in the school at the time. Doesn't that seem fairer than what we have now?

If you want religious practices throughout the day, send your child to a faith school!

Don't imply that wanting a Welsh medium school is unreasonable. We live in Wales!

I haven't said that other schools have the religious component - they must have some, such is the current law - but as i'm not interested in sending DD to any of them for other reasons, it's a moot point.

lostinrates

Mojisola wrote: »

Only after the appalling trade in human beings had been thoroughly justified by the C of E.

It was the Quakers and other Non-conformists (who were marginalised by the C of E) who were responsible for changing attitudes. Left the the C of E, we might still have slaves.

Well, that's certainly true, and other faiths of course. In fact, slavery continues now somewhat. Thankfully, morality, even within faith, evolves.

Nicki

Mojisola wrote: »

Yes - and the English parliament will eventually change the law as well, I hope.

Schools should be secular. Parents who want to raise their children in a particular faith can teach them at home and send them to Sunday School or other faith classes.

How very liberal of you! Are there any other subjects which schools shouldn't be allowed to teach or cover in your opinion? Sex education perhaps? Or politics?

notanewuser

Nicki wrote: »

How very liberal of you! Are there any other subjects which schools shouldn't be allowed to teach or cover in your opinion? Sex education perhaps? Or politics?

Again, you're confusing education and instruction. LEARNING about religion is fine, within RE lessons. LEARNING about sex is fine, as part of PHSE/Sex education lessons. Expecting children to PARTICIPATE in religious or sexual activities throughout the day is not!

Do you really not see the difference?