Just needed to be heard for a little while

iammumtoone

I read a bit online about the health benefits, this is what interests me more than any weight loss. I would like to lose a few pounds but I am not medically overweight so it doesn't matter if I stay the same. I am more concerned about putting weight on (as I have been over the last year), I need to do something now before I become overweight.

Pyxis

Sorry this is very late, folks! Blame Christmas and then my being ill.

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lostinrates

iammumtoone wrote: »

I read a bit online about the health benefits, this is what interests me more than any weight loss. I would like to lose a few pounds but I am not medically overweight so it doesn't matter if I stay the same. I am more concerned about putting weight on (as I have been over the last year), I need to do something now before I become overweight.

Me too. I honestly feel the answer to very many problems is through diet. Not just what we eat but what we choose not to.

And I also feel that being too uptight about it is a bit of a road to madness, which is why five two or intermittent fasting is good because you can not think so hard. But a good 'clean eating' plan for a month or two, then seeing how tastes change is always a bit of a cringe, when you realise what's crept in with out consciously thinking about it.


Similarly, I'm trying to work up more enthusiasm to apply same enthusiasm to other areas of my life.

Pyxis

Iammumtoone, I would urge you to read the book by Michael Mosely. It gives you a lot of info on the health benefits, and lots of references, if you want even more info., plus it tells you about the research behind it.
You and LIR are correct, it isn't a weight loss diet per se, it is a healthy lifestyle regime. Weight loss can be the most obvious benefit, but it is also the loss of the unhealthy internal fat around organs, which can be there even if you are a 'normal' weight, and other benefits, like reducing your cardiac/cancer/stroke/Alzheimer's risk factors, reducing the insulin yoyo, etc, all of which can help to prolong life.
It also gives recipes for the 500 calories. However, I often find that eating that little acts as an appetiser and can make me hungrier, so I ditched the recipes and went for bulk......several oranges, cut up into bits and eaten with a fork, lots of green veg, etc. and I left it as late in the day as possible, so that I went to bed straight afterwards.

I thought I'd want to binge the next day, but I found that if I did the fast day properly, I didn't because I felt good! And over time, I found I was naturally gravitating to the healthier types of food.

Ok, I've had setbacks, a lot due to being ill so frequently, and holidays with included meals etc, and of course, Christmas, and it can be hard getting back into the swing of it, but I do feel good on it, and my bowels (TMI!) function so much better when I'm on it!

You are right about the psychological aspect of knowing you can eat normally the next day. For me, that is the biggest plus point. On normal low-calorie diets, you are hungry all the time. With 5:2, you are hungry only two days! And you know that you can eat the next day! But it was rare for me to wake up in the morning and rush to the kitchen to make breakfast! Very often I could go to an early Zumba class first and then eat when I got home! And that's the other thing, exercise on/just after a fast has increased metabolic effects compared with exercise 2or3 hours after food.

Also a day's fast need only mean 24hours, which means that some of the fast day is when you are asleep. However, I found I had better results from going from late dinner on, say, Monday, through to breakfast on Wednesday (33-36hours).
But if you wanted to do dinner through to dinner at the same time the next day, or breakfast through to breakfast, etc., that is allowed, and really isn't that hard, particularly if you pick busy days to do it on.

WaS, I've noticed that the smallest Russian doll usually has far less detail on it than the bigger ones, so don't panic!

mellymoo74

Spag bol

Onion chopped
Garlic paste (about 1/3 tube)
mushrooms one pack
1/2 teaspoon paprika
I pack nice stewing steak
1/2 teaspoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 small passatta
Glug worcester sauce
Squeeze tomato puree.

Fry onion off till soft then add garlic paste fry for another 30 secs.
Add mushrooms fry till soft.
Add paprika fry for another 30 secs and add the passatta.
Chuck in stewing steak and other ingredients and stick the slow cooker on low for ages.

serve with sainsburys taste the difference spaghetti and bread sticks.

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mellymoo74

My OH has pointed out that I have a box of hair dye I bought on the 23rd December that is still in the bathroom and this is unheard of.
He has made me take disolvable codeine and take the doglets and a duvet and lie down.

He is going to take his mum shopping so I will be worried about the lack of mobility twins in a supermarket.

The spag bol is from the takeaway secret. I don't like mince so I usually make stuff with stewing steak or turkey/chicken breast.

I need to think about what I am going to say to work. I need to take the up the road option if I stand any chance of improving on the food front.

I want some Russian dolls!

lostinrates

Mellymoo, I make chilli with stewing steak, which I keep in quite hefty chunks. My husband is not keen chilli with mince but loves it with steak. He will happily eat mince in other things.

mellymoo74

lostinrates wrote: »

Mellymoo, I make chilli with stewing steak, which I keep in quite hefty chunks. My husband is not keen chilli with mince but loves it with steak. He will happily eat mince in other things.

I do 3 chilli.
Mince for tacos
Stewing steak for baked spuds and on nachos
Chicken breast for on nachos.

My slow cooker gets alot of use lol.

lostinrates

mellymoo74 wrote: »

I do 3 chilli.
Mince for tacos
Stewing steak for baked spuds and on nachos
Chicken breast for on nachos.

My slow cooker gets alot of use lol.

. Is your chicken chilli what's called a green chilli? I've not made one of those but keep thinking about one. We have ours either on its own, or with rice and a dollop of yogurt ( because I often make it too hot accidentally) . I don't use a slow cooker though.


Right, I'm tidying up still....so I better get back to it. . I think I need to put some bicarbonate on the rug in our bedroom. Freshen everything up a bit.

mellymoo74

It isn't but having googled green chilli I think it would be doable with a turkey mince hmmmmmm.