A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes, when Scotland was last independent, north and south island were each independent

Really, what were these two independent countries called?
Do you have a link we can read up on?
I can;t see any reflection on these being separate countries

CLAPTON wrote: »

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the real issue isn't whether a geographic entry was once independent but what people's attitude to their neighbours is

Interestingly I found this as an example of New Zealand and how the Scots integrate with it's neighbours worldwide

Scottish immigrants dominated the South Island and evolved ways to bridge the old homeland and the new. Many local Caledonian societies were formed. They organized sports teams to entice the young and preserved an idealized Scottish national myth (based on Robert Burns) for the elderly. They gave Scots a path to assimilation and cultural integration as Scottish New Zealanders.[49]

CLAPTON wrote: »

yugoslavia didn't break up because they were once independent countries but because of the hatred between the peoples.

Again, keep up with the hatred aspect, but this is not what the pro-independence campaign is involved in.
That's purely your personal perception.

Let me highlight an extract from Alex Salmond in the White Paper

I also believe that the bonds of family, friendship, history and
culture between Scotland and the other parts of the British Isles are precious. England, Wales and Northern Ireland will always be our family, friends and closest neighbours.

This is not a comment born from hatred, but one that respects, acknowledges and wants to work with it's neighbours.

Please keep your hatred in whatever part of the country you reside

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Really, what were these two independent countries called?
Do you have a link we can read up on?
I can;t see any reflection on these being separate countries


Interestingly I found this as an example of New Zealand and how the Scots integrate with it's neighbours worldwide





Again, keep up with the hatred aspect, but this is not what the pro-independence campaign is involved in.
That's purely your personal perception.

Let me highlight an extract from Alex Salmond in the White Paper


This is not a comment born from hatred, but one that respects, acknowledges and wants to work with it's neighbours.

Please keep your hatred in whatever part of the country you reside

As you already know, Scotland wasn't always the geographical area it is today.

Indeed it only consolidated on the existing area once it was joined in joined crowns with England.

'Proving' your point by quoting a politician is about as infantile as boasting that, if challenged, you will never change your mind.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

I rather agree, it won't be decided on nominal economic grounds, but basically on how many hate the English sufficiently to want to be rid of them.

CLAPTON wrote: »

I The vote for 'yes' will be determined by the hatred of the English, some primeval belief is racial superiority, a little bit of economics and fear of change.

CLAPTON wrote: »

New Zealand could break into North and South Island but haven't done so because the northerns don't hate the southerns.

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes, when Scotland was last independent, north and south yugoslavia didn't break up because they were once independent countries but because of the hatred between the peoples.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Again, keep up with the hatred aspect, but this is not what the pro-independence campaign is involved in.
That's purely your personal perception.

Let me highlight an extract from Alex Salmond in the White Paper


This is not a comment born from hatred, but one that respects, acknowledges and wants to work with it's neighbours.

Please keep your hatred in whatever part of the country you reside

So it's not just me that thinks that certain posters have a bee in thier bonnet about Scotland's "hatred" for outsiders which is about as real as the unicorn, wild haggis hunts, Brigadoon, Nessie and the positive side of the NO campaign.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

'Proving' your point by quoting a politician is about as infantile

Firstly, quoting the SNP Leader with regards to an aspect which is direct conflict to your own personal opinion is extremely relevant in my humble opinion.

This is not infantile but I would argue shows an ability to debate in an adult like manner.

CLAPTON wrote: »

if challenged, you will never change your mind.

I have not said "if challenged, I will never change my mind".
My mind is open, I See The Light, I am open to changing my perspective and mind.

What I did discuss earlier was that if someone dismisses that I can't achieve something which I am committed to do, then I will increase my resolve in order to achieve the desired outcome.

Like I said before, "Those that can't, won't. Those that can, do."

You appear to be someone that won't.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

As you already know, Scotland wasn't always the geographical area it is today.

Are you articulating that post September, that Hadrian's wall and part of Northumberland should be open for negotiation?

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

So it's not just me that thinks that certain posters have a bee in thier bonnet about Scotland's "hatred" for outsiders which is about as real as the unicorn, wild haggis hunts, Brigadoon, Nessie and the positive side of the NO campaign.

No, I don't think that the wish to separate from the UK is largely driven by 'hatred' of outsiders, just the English.

IveSeenTheLight

zagubov wrote: »

So it's not just me that thinks that certain posters have a bee in thier bonnet about Scotland's "hatred" for outsiders which is about as real as the unicorn, wild haggis hunts, Brigadoon, Nessie and the positive side of the NO campaign.

He's either fishing or deluded.

It's been pointed out time and again that there is no hatred in the desire to self determine ones future.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Are you articulating that post September, that Hadrian's wall and part of Northumberland should be open for negotiation?

yes of course if the idea of a nation was relevant and was the actual issue.

here of course, it has nothing to do with geography, but dislike of one's neighbours

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

I rather agree, it won't be decided on nominal economic grounds, but basically on how many hate the English sufficiently to want to be rid of them.

CLAPTON wrote: »

I The vote for 'yes' will be determined by the hatred of the English, some primeval belief is racial superiority, a little bit of economics and fear of change.

CLAPTON wrote: »

New Zealand could break into North and South Island but haven't done so because the northerns don't hate the southerns.

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes, when Scotland was last independent, north and south yugoslavia didn't break up because they were once independent countries but because of the hatred between the peoples.

CLAPTON wrote: »

No, I don't think that the wish to separate from the UK is largely driven by 'hatred' of outsiders, just the English.

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes of course if the idea of a nation was relevant and was the actual issue.

here of course, it has nothing to do with geography, but dislike of one's neighbours

The poor fellow must have an obsession with imaginary anomie. Luckily he imagined up a thesaurus just before he wore the word hate out by using it for a sixth time in a row.

Perhaps he thinks that repetition of a delusion "entruthifies" it, what ever that means.:)

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Really, what were these two independent countries called?
Do you have a link we can read up on?
I can;t see any reflection on these being separate countries

one might have thought that finding information about NZ history wasn't that difficult.

Of course at that time they would have been black nations so I guess that don't count as 'real ' countries in your understanding?