The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

CLAPTON

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I've an open mind. Not of any fixed view. What I do know however is that the generation of politicians are incapable of running anything. Not least because they have no experience of anything other than political indoctrination.

Telling the electorate what they want. Rather than listening and basing their policies on what the majority actually wants.

Punch and Judy politics and the constant spin that goes with it is now outdated.

which countries would you say are better run than the UK?

Spain, Greece, Italy, USA, Korea.....?

BumWad

Hi

The EU is good for trade, and I am sure some statistics will exist that show we gain more than the 50ish million it's costs to be a member.

An example would be the car industry where manufacturers like Honda and Nissan have factories in the UK so they can import into Europe. These factories would soon disappear should the UK leave Europe.

London is the finance capital of Europe again for similar reasons as above.

Should the UK leave the EU, be certain that France & Germany would ensure that none of the main EU countries would be able to sign trade agreements with us as they would seek to mop up all the investment the UK looses.

We need to trade with our neighbours as we have done for 100's of years.

However what the EU needs to move away from is infringing on the UK's sovereignty and allow us to govern ourselves and each EU nation do the same. And focus on trade!!

We need to educate the ordinary person to the above, and how the European economy works.

On immigration we need to get our wasters the help they need before we take on the rest of Europe's wasters.

If you have something we have not got enough of etc then yes you are very welcome, but if not sorry you need to stay at home. A bit like the Australian model. Also if you commit crime when you come to the UK be prepared to be punished then sent packing and sorry if your country of origin no longer likes you, don't commit crime etc

UKIP, a slightly more presentable BNP?

Maybe we do need a right wing party, but we need one without the stench of extremism and racism. If some members of the Conservatives got it right they could they be an even more presentable UKIP and get the policies correct. Or will Cameron do it, to stay in power.

A simplistic view on the world but, typing on an iPad is not for essays.

Oh, and tell my wife not to leave her account logged in!!!! I could of written any thing.

BillJones

BumWad wrote: »

Hi

The EU is good for trade, and I am sure some statistics will exist that show we gain more than the 50ish million it's costs to be a member.

An example would be the car industry where manufacturers like Honda and Nissan have factories in the UK so they can import into Europe. These factories would soon disappear should the UK leave Europe.

London is the finance capital of Europe again for similar reasons as above

How do you work the last point out? London was the world's financial capital long before the EU came to be, and I can't see any evidence that being in Europe is helping.

Quite the opposite, in fact, as the rest of Europe seems determined to chip away at London's advantage through taxes that will disproportionately hit London over other European centers.

Seriously, I've worked in banking for decades, and no-one would agree with your point, what leads you to believe it?

BumWad

Hi

Maybe I am wrong with the point on London and the EU, I am not in the banking world. I just believe that access to free trade in Europe is one of the keys to a prosperous UK.

Again she left her account unlocked!!!

CLAPTON

BumWad wrote: »

Hi

Maybe I am wrong with the point on London and the EU, I am not in the banking world. I just believe that access to free trade in Europe is one of the keys to a prosperous UK.

Again she left her account unlocked!!!

why do you think that Germany, France etc would be reluctant to trade with us if we left the EU?

They export more to us that we export to them, so they have more to lose if trade stopped; more German and French jobs lost.

They willingly trade with USA, China, Russia, Korea and another 200 countries so why would they stop trading with one of their major export markets?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

setmefree2 wrote: »

I still don't understand why people vote UKIP.

I'll hazard a guess. People got themselves in massive amounts of debt in the boom - now they're blaming immigrants in the bust.

CLAPTON

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

I'll hazard a guess. People got themselves in massive amounts of debt in the boom - now they're blaming immigrants in the bust.

I've no idea if you are right or not, but presumably being a fair minded person, you have evidence that UKIP supporters have above average levels of debt?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

CLAPTON wrote: »

I've no idea if you are right or not, but presumably being a fair minded person, you have evidence that UKIP supporters have above average levels of debt?

They don't have to be above average do they? Personal debt in the UK is massive.
When YOUGOV polled UKIP supporters almost two-thirds of UKIP voters didn’t mention Europe. They were far more concerned about the economy and immigration.

So, yeah, lets blame the EU - far better than taking personal responsibility for the amount of debt people got themselves in to in the boom.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

setmefree2 wrote: »

By the way, UKIP have said the Cultured, Educated and Young don't vote for UKIP why do you think that is?

YOUGov found the following:-

Not surprisingly, UKIP does well among those who say they are “very” or “fairly” right-wing, and among readers of the Daily Mail and Daily Express. But one of the striking things about UKIP is its appeal to older, working class former Tories, especially those who left school at 15 or 16 and earn less than £20,000 a year. They are people who might be thought to be natural Labour voters – but have tended to look to tax cuts rather than social solidarity to improve their lot. Now, five years of squeezed living standards and three decades of mounting inequality and job insecurity, many have given up on all three of the traditional main parties. UKIP has had far less success appealing to better-off voters, graduates and those under 40.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/02/24/where-ukip-gets-its-support/

bugslet

A poll over on Trucknet, a site for truck drivers, on how people voted in the European elections, showed that 71% had voted for UKIP, 14% hadn't voted, Labour and Conservative got 4% each and Lib Dems 2%.

There is certainly a belief that wages have been driven down by citizens elsewhere in the EU coming to the UK and by the EUs relaxation of cabotage rules, which in short allows vehicles from other countries to move goods within countries other than their own.

I don't know what debt levels are amongst truck drivers, but from previous threads, there is the usual mix of those who are up to their eyealls in debt and those who own their own homes outright and have some savings.