The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

So there is no "heartache and pain" outside London - she's making it up! Glad to hear it - now I can sleep peacefully. 'tis all I wanted to know really. I wouldn't like to think you were all suffering out there beyond the M25.... I do care about my fellow man

I've no idea as I don't read any UKIP literature: I'm merely surprised you give her so much weight.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I quoted the very articles that you linked to, but now they're nothing but soundbites?

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Very good Graham...:T

I suggested that we could control the taxation.

The article suggests we may not do it any better.

As I said, soundbites. What I stated was completely true. The fact someone thinks we may not do it any better is neither here nor there, but it's the only thing you've picked up on.

As I said - soundbites. You are not proving me wrong, you are simply leaning on soundbites to claim the moral high ground in an argument wher eyou are finding yourself increasingly on the side of the minority.

According to you, UKIP wouldn't even get this far, so why should we take any notice of anything you have to say? You've been wrong all along, hence the increaing usage of "racists, bigots" etc.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I suggested that we could control the taxation.

The article suggests we may not do it any better.
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Ummm, no.

The article notes that there are two things wrong with taxation.

1. VAT in country of sale versus country of company base. And the EU has already legislated to close that loophole starting in 2015.

2. 'Beggar thy neighbour' policies on corporation tax. Which the EU tried to ban. And were blocked by UK politicians.

Yet you somehow think the EU is to blame?

Honestly Graham, you've become so muddled in your desperation to defend UKIP that you can't even keep track of what your own articles are saying....

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yet you somehow think the EU is to blame?

Honestly Graham, you've become so muddled in your desperation to defend UKIP that you can't even keep track of what your own articles are saying....

I've never blamed the EU. I have stated we'd have control and could therefore gain those taxes.

I'm not muddled. You are doing your best to muddle, as per usual.

You are going to have to find a better way of articulating yourself. You are clearly now in the minority. The people have spoken.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

And here's another uncomfortable question you ignored earlier....

Graham_Devon wrote: »

We shouldn't pander to anybody.

This is democracy at work. A lot of what you and Hamish are stating are not issues with UKIP....they are issues with democracy itself and the fact it's not moving in a direction of your liking.

If a candidate like this guy.....

Ukip has selected Roger Helmer as parliamentary candidate to fight the Newark byelection, despite him arguing date rape victims can bear some responsibility for being assaulted, coming out in favour of the death penalty and comparing gay marriage to allowing incest.

...... was elected by the 'homeowners price inflation party' with a mandate to double house prices within 5 years, would you still be so assertive in defending him and his party?

Graham_Devon

As I said....soundbites.

Night Hamish.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I've never blamed the EU. I have stated we'd have control and could therefore gain those taxes.

Wait a minute, how would we gain those taxes?

Problem (1) has already been fixed by the EU with the support of the UK, and the UK government is blocking problem (2) from being fixed.

If the UK government is preventing the EU from clamping down on tax evasion, why would they gain those taxes if they had control?

setmefree2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Theres little point.

I feel the same way.

I still don't understand why people vote UKIP.

Night

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

As I said....soundbites.
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Ah, I see, so pointing out facts is now "soundbites"....

Quoting vile and disgusting comments from UKIP candidates is now "soundbites".

In fact, pretty much anything you disagree with and can't coherently argue with is now a "soundbite".

Ah well, good thing you've picked up a new "soundbite" to replace your previous ones with then....

And for tonight, I'll leave you with a "soundbite" on racism from a man who really knows what being racist is all about.....

"They’ve voted for Ukip’s racist policies instead": BNP leader Nick Griffin on losing his seat

The BNP now has no representation in the European parliament and only two councillors across Britain. Its collapse is now complete: as Tim Wigmore reported earlier this week, in 2012 its votes slumped to 26,000 - down from 240,000 in the 2008 elections. In January, Griffin was declared bankrupt.

Speaking to Sky's Adam Boulton, Griffin said: "We are indeed what you might call racist."

Asked where the party's voters had gone, he said: "They’ve voted for Ukip’s racist policies instead."

He added that he was encouraged by the success of the Front National in France. He later tweeted from @nickgriffinmep: "If anyone can tell me how to change my twitter title without losing the account I'd be obliged! ;-) #we'renotgoingawayyouknow"

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/they-ve-voted-ukip-s-racist-policies-instead-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-losing-his

Thrugelmir

Better_Call_Saul wrote: »

I agree with much of that. However, the way UKIP wishes to deal with it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A focused approach concentrating on structural reform of housing, health and education/employment is definitely needed but the UKIP way? No, not for me. They're a party who pray on people's fears and nothing more as far as I'm concerned.

I've an open mind. Not of any fixed view. What I do know however is that the generation of politicians are incapable of running anything. Not least because they have no experience of anything other than political indoctrination.

Telling the electorate what they want. Rather than listening and basing their policies on what the majority actually wants.

Punch and Judy politics and the constant spin that goes with it is now outdated.