The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

setmefree2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

In other words you have no interest in European politics. Or the potential long consequences for the UK.

Only in so far as it affects UK GDP and the ability for UK companies to make money, to be honest.

Thrugelmir

Better_Call_Saul wrote: »

In my view people are voting UKIP because the infrastructure of the country ie the NHS, schools and housing have not been invested in to an adequate level by successive governments

The UK is in debt and running a budget deficit. There is no magic tree to fund a lifestyle that is simply unaffordable.

setmefree2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

With respect, I think you need to read responses.

With respect - I am. I still don't know what the problem is?

Better_Call_Saul

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK is in debt and running a budget deficit. There is no magic tree to fund a lifestyle that is simply unaffordable.

I'm aware of the deficit and I'm struggling to find any post where I mentioned a magic tree. Maybe money could be found by a number of measures including not handing out tax giveaways to try and win general elections. Not giving pensioners benefits they don't want as a vote buyer in the run up to general elections. Scrapping the high speed trains until more important issues are dealt with, closing tax loopholes, collecting the tax the government is owed more efficiently, not giving away free school meals until there are enough local school places for all kids. These are my ideas to save and raise revenue I'm sure others would disagree.

BobQ

Running_Horse wrote: »

People who voted UKIP knew exactly what they were doing. They are not morons or swivel eyed loons. To misrepresent them as such is an act of stupidity and gross arrogance from a political class totally out of touch.

BTW I am generally pro EU.

You are right, many who voted UKIP did so for positive reasons and they did so knowing what they were doing and stood for. But there is a proportion that do daft things and some are voting UKIP without knowing their policies. Clearly that happens in other parties too.

Frankly I can understand why a lifelong Tory with stong views on reducing immigration or an intense dislike of EU regulations might vote for UKIP since he is voting for a right wing party. But I still cannot appreciate how a liberal minded left of centre voter can see any benefit from UKIP's position on other issues.

But it will force change in the EU which will help Cameron and Milliband change their positions.

GeorgeHowell

setmefree2 wrote: »

But it's not your reality?



No idea - that's why I'm asking.



So give me an answer and enlighten me.



Leaving or staying in the EU???? Swings and roundabouts - it ceratinly wouldn't keep me awake either way and I doubt it's going to affect my life "big-time" either way.



I still don't know why your unhappy.

I set out in post 93 what I think is going on. All you've done since then is question and react sceptically to every response without offering any contrary information. If you don't get it, don't know or much care what's going on in the country, or to the country, that's your problem. It won't change anything, or how other people think or vote.

If you're tempted to respond to this with yet another question, rather in the manner of a child that replies "Why ?" to everything its parent says, I wouldn't bother. If it's your cryptic way of saying you think UKIP voters are all provincial bumkins -- we get that.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

BobQ wrote: »

I still cannot appreciate how a liberal minded left of centre voter can see any benefit from UKIP's position on other issues..

Or indeed, how a socially liberal and economically right of centre voter like me can see any benefit from UKIP's position on any issues.

globalds

Ok ..
Broadly speaking ,and this only goes for myself.
I have had time to watch the unfolding of the European model.
It neither inspires me with great hope that insurmountable problems are being resolved ..Nor leads me to feel any efficiencies are being gained that force me to accept that it is worth it.

It has grown from a concept that was agreed in referendum ( a common market) and has now grown so far beyond it's remit that at least a new referendum is required to ratify all these new bolt ons.But perhaps it is time to question it's very existence.
Farage for all his failings has been vociferous both in and out of the European parliament on just those issues.
I think the status quo sits uncomfortably with me now as it is not sitting still ...It seems that to not complain about Europe is in fact a tacit vote in favour of Maaistricht or any further banking or economic necessity for this juggernaut to continue.

So in a nutshell it is that I see it slowly creeping like a glacier and it seems that every other political representative I have to choose from has made a decision for me that discounts ever being allowed to say no.

Graham_Devon

setmefree2 wrote: »

With respect - I am. I still don't know what the problem is?

People are answering your questions. Again, with respect, if you cannot understand it, do not care about Europe and by your own admission do not understand Europe, then I don't think you are going to gain very much by repetively rejecting any answer without offering anything to back up your assertion.

Please don't respond to this with "but why". I have enough of that with a 4 year old.

You asked me about taxes. I gave your two articles explaining the situation. You've not even attempted to comment on that.

setmefree2

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

I set out in post 93 what I think is going on. All you've done since then is question and react sceptically to every response without offering any contrary information. If you don't get it, don't know or much care what's going on in the country, or to the country, that's your problem. It won't change anything, or how other people think or vote.

If you're tempted to respond to this with yet another question, rather in the manner of a child that replies "Why ?" to everything its parent says, I wouldn't bother. If it's your cryptic way of saying you think UKIP voters are all provincial bumkins -- we get that.

I still don't understand why people are voting for UKIP. But yes thanks for your posts.

By the way, UKIP have said the Cultured, Educated and Young don't vote for UKIP why do you think that is?