Bike wheel was stolen in public place.

Sooler

Martynb_ wrote: »

Now if I had been told there were no CCTV I would not have locked my bike up here. If I had been informed not to leave my bike here I would certainly have taken advice. Nothing. No CCTV and no warning sign. Do councils have to put up these signs?

The only obligation is to put up signs when CCTV is in use.
http://ico.org.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv
"The CCTV operator must let people know they are using CCTV. Signs are the most usual way of doing this. The signs must be clearly visible and readable, and should include the details of the organisation operating the system if not obvious."

Martynb_

peachyprice wrote: »

You really couldn't have worked out for yourself that chaining your bike in a public place could lead to it being stolen?

I really couldn't have worked out that there were no cctv cameras overlooking the public parking accesses adjacent to the library and the council-run gymnasium area.

adouglasmhor

Martynb_ wrote: »

I really couldn't have worked out that there were no cctv cameras overlooking the public parking accesses adjacent to the library and the council-run gymnasium area.

Did the fact there were none of the legally required signs saying that there are CCTV cameras in operation not give you a clue?

Martynb_

Sooler wrote: »

The only obligation is to put up signs when CCTV is in use.
http://ico.org.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv
"The CCTV operator must let people know they are using CCTV. Signs are the most usual way of doing this. The signs must be clearly visible and readable, and should include the details of the organisation operating the system if not obvious."

So why is it that in areas where no cctv exists are there signs warning visitors or customers that they are responsible for their own car/bike? So there's no obligation to put up either cctv or warning sign, and still allow vistors and customers to park their transport nearby? How much does it cost to put up a plastic sign, just a little discrete sign that reads "please be aware..."? My logic tells me that in a public place if there are no signs there would at least be a cctv camera, especially overlooking the entrace to both the library and the council run gymnasium? Or am I being naieve? If I go into the museum about a 100 yards away I can cameras in both corners, if I walk towards the main car park there is cctv at both ends of the road. If I walk up this road and turn left into the pavillion part of the library at the back there are cctv cameras and bike stands. But nothing here at the council run gym or library front? No cctv. No sign or nothing. If someone gets attacked here it will not be recorded. Theives are going to target the area where there are no cctv, and that area is where people come to the gymnasium and park their bikes!


As the security officer said, this area is a target for theives. So why doesn't the council put cctv up or put a sign up warning customers? It seems to me that it's just negligence on the part of the council.

themull1

Quote So why is it that in areas where no cctv exists are there signs warning visitors or customers that they are responsible for their own car/bike?

You would still be responsible for your own car/bike even if there was CCTV.

Martynb_

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Did the fact there were none of the legally required signs saying that there are CCTV cameras in operation not give you a clue?

No. Why would it when it is a public area adjacent to a library and shops? If this gym was a private gym in the middle on a patch of grass outside of town I would not been chaining my bike up outside of it. I would think twice. But this is a public area, where councillors and businessmen walk back and forth. The fact that the council has put up these bike stands seems to me to be inviting the criminals, because there is no cctv and there's no warning sign. They are a target for crime. Shouldn't the council take responsibility for this considering it is a public area that the council is supposed to provide safety for the public?

LilElvis

Martynb_ wrote: »

I really couldn't have worked out that there were no cctv cameras overlooking the public parking accesses adjacent to the library and the council-run gymnasium area.

But what use would it have been had it been installed? You would have had a grainy picture of someone stealing your wheel, but it would still have gone. Had there been a sign saying that there was cctv surveillance it probably still wouldn't have deterred them - just made them pull up their hood or wear a cap.

It's sad that you can't leave a bicycle in a public space without festooning it in chains, but this is the only realistic deterrent, not signs and cctv.

Bantex_2

Just get one of those locks with a longish cable. goes thru frame and both wheels.

adouglasmhor

Martynb_ wrote: »

No. Why would it when it is a public area adjacent to a library and shops? If this gym was a private gym in the middle on a patch of grass outside of town I would not been chaining my bike up outside of it. I would think twice. But this is a public area, where councillors and businessmen walk back and forth. The fact that the council has put up these bike stands seems to me to be inviting the criminals, because there is no cctv and there's no warning sign. They are a target for crime. Shouldn't the council take responsibility for this considering it is a public area that the council is supposed to provide safety for the public?

No you should take responsibility for yourself and your property by securing your bike properly not leaving it insecure. I fail to see how your safety was compromised.

Martynb_

themull1 wrote: »

Quote So why is it that in areas where no cctv exists are there signs warning visitors or customers that they are responsible for their own car/bike?

You would still be responsible for your own car/bike even if there was CCTV.

So what about people who park their cars in the car park? There is cctv overlooking most car parks in most town centres. If the owners of these cars are responsible for their own cars then why put up cctv? To pry? Of course, not! They are put there for the public safety! If a person's car gets vandalised or stolen in the car park the owner can take that evidence to court and prosecute the thieves. Now why is my bike not protected like the cars in the car park? They provide parking space for cars outside public buildings and there is cctv all over the place. But there's no obligation for the council to provide either cctv or warning sign when it comes to bikes and push bikes?