Parking Fines (Smart parking/Parking eye etc) HELP PLEASE

Redx

that is because the private companies misuse the blue badge as being relevant in parking in those bays , when actually it is not relevant and the actual relevant law is the EA 2010 which they do not adhere to at all , but is highly relevant to the landowners who actually own the land

you are taking the word of the parking company and their rules above the law of the land , its the law of the land that is relevant here and would apply even if the lady in question had no blue badge, because the blue badge is not what is relevant here , despite the signage

it is your intransigence in this matter that makes me write the words in a blunt fashion, because I believe in plain speaking and so I am being blunt from the outset, not rude, because you need to wise up quickly and try to avoid the pitfalls of court if you do not change your obstinate attitude to these invoices or to the people giving you the correct advice in a very blunt and to the point fashion , I make no apology in being totally blunt about the issues here, even if its only to dispel the myths that you currently hold as regards these matters as can be seen by your posts up to now

once you get the hostility out of the way and learn the relevant issues here you will see how candid and blunt my replies were , BUT also you will see how correct they were, but until now you are being hostile to the advice received as if you know better than we do, or I do , when you know what I know, you will change your views, the hard part so far is getting you to see that the advice is 100% correct , so stop arguing and start learning , before you get any deeper into the myths you have surrounded yourself with so far

all you have done so far is "shoot the messenger" which I take exception to

Hot_Bring

Littlemiss86 wrote: »

Whether the bb is relevant on private land or not the huge Blue sign that is on that land states that bb holders may park for 3 hours!!!

It's not a case that I have not researched the subject properly more that I have only just asked the question to get some helpful advice and until 7pm when my children go to bed I will not have time to research the subject properly as you say.

And for the record my problem is not with your advice, all advice is appreciated it's more with how rude you are in giving your advice.. You may have been on here for a while but I haven't..
Maybe familiarise yourself again with the rules of the site or read that rather big notice on the left underneath my username.

Thanks again

It's a common theme the hostility complaint. It's no intentional but you try answering the same questions 20 times a day ( you have two young ones so imagine how annoying the "are we there yet" question can get ).

Strangely, after a successful cancel / win, it all moves into perspective.

Redx

to put the above in perspective , read this thread by a newbie who didnt understand what was going on either

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4923789

by page 3 he now gets what we have all been telling him and has now apologised because he told all of the respondents off earlier in the thread because he thought it was hostile and bad advice, yet has finally realised the essence of what he was told all along, the truth of the matter, and the information he needed to take it further

after checking with the BPA , the ICO , the ombudsman etc he is now realising his best advice had been given all along , on here, despite his intransigence over the last few days

but his apology proves he has now had the "light bulb" moment , which I am sure will happen to you too at some point this week

so now have a look at this flow chart as regards the PE invoices https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4922055

have a look at the PE website if you want to see the small claims court losses that they or others have won which they are boasting about

as for wins , see here http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=62971894&postcount=65

then look at parking pranksters website and blogs etc http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/court-report.html

you could even read his new books (one free and the other paid for) about PE and court

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4864999

as for the BB scheme, read this https://www.gov.uk/government/news/supermarkets-support-government-crack-down-on-blue-badge-abuse

the scheme does not cover privately owned car parks

and

The Blue Badge scheme only applies to on-street parking - private off-street car parks, such as those at supermarkets, are on private land and the charges and conditions of use are essentially a contractual matter between the owner and the motorist.
However, the Equality Act 2010 requires providers of services, including car park operators, to take reasonable steps to ensure disabled people are not substantially disadvantaged compared to non-disabled people, when accessing their services - this has implications for car park operators who may have to demonstrate that, as well as marking out disabled person’s parking spaces, they have taken reasonable steps to ensure that they are available to disabled people.

Littlemiss86

Hot_Bring wrote: »

It's a common theme the hostility complaint. It's no intentional but you try answering the same questions 20 times a day ( you have two young ones so imagine how annoying the "are we there yet" question can get ).

Strangely, after a successful cancel / win, it all moves into perspective.

I understand what you're saying but if a person has answered the same question 20 times in a day and they feel they can't be polite when answering the same question then maybe they should scroll on and leave it for someone else to answer, There must be thousands of people on this site, I'm sure there isn't just a couple of people able to answer this question with the knowledge needed.

That said I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not grateful for the answers and help just that I'd prefer to be spoken to as an equal and an adult not like a child.. x

Littlemiss86

Can someone point me in the direction of the template appeal letter please? I thought it had already been posted on this thread but can't see it at all now.

I find this site really hard to navigate to be honest but Generally I am not a forum user so that maybe why

Redx

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822 post #1 by coupon mad

below THE FIRST APPEAL TO THE PPC

I posted it in post #2 as your first reply, also adding the flowchart link so you can see how this process works

Littlemiss86

Redx wrote: »

below THE FIRST APPEAL TO THE PPC

I posted it in post #2 as your first reply, also adding the flowchart link so you can see how this process works

Yes I thought you did but when looking back couldn't see it - I did see the post but wasn't 100% sure I was looking at the right thing..

I also looked at the FlowChart you posted.. Thank you

Redx

no problem

despite what you may believe everything I posted was designed to help you in this matter, as I have personal experience of this myself and so understood your initial post better than most

for clarity :- I am a grandad , I have a spine issue and have done so for more than 25 years , I have had an orange badge and now a blue badge for all of that time too, I qualified under the DDA 1995 and then the EA 2010 laws as well as my issues go back to before their introduction

I have suffered discrimination for all of that time and its usually the able-bodied people who do not understand these rules that cause it , like these supermarkets and parking companies etc

therefore I fully understood where you were coming from as regards your nan and it is disgraceful that this happens when an able bodied person like yourself puts themselves out trying to help people like her and me and gets penalised for it , usually due to ignorance by somebody or some company , so yes it makes my blood boil - sorry to say

so if you check my advice so far its all accurate and designed to help you and your nan get out from this crock o ***t that is not of your own making

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so I would ask you to appeal each morrisons PE pcn separately using that CM template, also adding a note and attach a scan of the BB and informing them they have broken the EA 2010 too as well as the BPA CoP so to cancel the tickets and put your vehicle reg on a whitelist to avoid future issues

I would ask you to email the Morrisons CEO as well and complain about this mentioning the EA 2010 and her BB too so to cancel the tickets and put your vehicle reg on a whitelist to avoid future issues

details here https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4766249 (look for the store name and click the links)

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4303567

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once done consider the following

I would also suggest you email the Asda ceo about the smart parking one , mentioning the BB and the EA 2010 act as well , insisting they too cancel the parking charge forthwith otherwise you may have to bring a counter claim under the EA 2010 in a small claims court (carrot and stick) , also to cancel the tickets and put your vehicle reg on a whitelist to avoid future issues

bear in mind my intention here has always been to help you and your nan , but please try to accept that this BB issue varies according to public or private land and dont get the 2 mixed up as it does not help your case

if I park on double yellows on a public road I get the same as your nan , but on private car parks each one is different so dont use the rules of the public road at all , check the signage bearing in mind it does not actually count whereas the EA 2010 does, that is what I always have to bear in mind

carandbike

Littlemiss86 wrote: »

There must be thousands of people on this site, I'm sure there isn't just a couple of people able to answer this question with the knowledge needed.

That said I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not grateful for the answers and help just that I'd prefer to be spoken to as an equal and an adult not like a child.. x

Many members, but mostly looking for help and advice, with only a minority able or confident enough to offer a definitive answer.

Also I have to back up Redx. He does come across as blunt at times, as do many of us in the written word. However there have been countless times when I would love to kick some people right up the !!!!. They ask for advice...it's really urgent....only a few days left to appeal... Then sit around for a few days asking more irrelevant questions...what if this, what if that. Then they miss deadlines because they couldn't be arsed. That's after some of us have given up our time to help them and they can't be bothered to help themselves.

Good luck and keep learning. :beer:

ampersand

Hello redx - even before littlemiss has had a chance to read your post, I want to say 'thankyou' for all you do and especially for post 19; it's a cracker. I'm sure lm will too and you will know each other better now.

lm - my early ?s[only since December] were gauche and £££fear-led[pensioner in all but mind and appearance], despite deep, persistent reading, despite remembering something about these lowlife bandits was on mse. You're still at that early stage where hand-holding feels desperately necessary. You'll quickly grow in confidence, the more you read. Always show your draft letters here before sending them.

As we all know, ppc's deliberately set out to deceive from the recipient's first sight of that pretend 'official' P C N heading. It's made to cow and dupe people, but that won't happen to you now you're here.

redx - like so many others here - is brilliant and expert. In addition we're all human, which is more than can be said of ppc non-sentients.

Go to The Parking Prankster's blog for laughter and outrage and justice and encouragement over the garbage these humanoid-clones try on, day in, day out.
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2014-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2015-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=50

But don't lose focus. Everyone here will help you - esp. our grand-dad redx:-).