Mis-selling of diesel cars

force_ten

motorguy wrote: »

removing a dpf" generally involves taking it off the car, cutting a hole in the top of it, removing the guts of it, welding a plate back on and refitting it. Totally undetectable by looking at it on the car.

if you tap on a full tin and it sounds like a full tin, tap on an empty tin and it sounds like an empty tin

same applies to a DPF tap it and it sounds empty, the change to the MOT has been brought in to stop people gutting the DPF, so do you really think it will stop at just a visual check to see if the dpf shell is in place ?

Netwizard

forgotmyname wrote: »

They just mention the MPG and the TAX. Buyers tend not to listen to anything beyond that.

Count the number of posts where people are willing to spend £10k on a car because the tax if £100 less and does 5mpg more than their current car.

A million percent agree with this! The public are blinded by tax and mpg.

I don't know about most people but if I was dropping £10k plus on a car, I would research it first.

Most diesel cars give terrible mpg around town anyway, and you are much better with a small engine petrol car than a 2.0D

A lot of my mates wondering around in modern diesels take the mick out of my petrol car for its mpg, but when you take into account the cost of everything, including servicing and repairs, my car is cheaper to run overall

Iceweasel

And the new MOT additional check will include checking for the presence of the DCAT as well as the DPF.

scooterb

DUTR wrote: »

Cheaper to run than what?
As others have pointed out, you have to do your own homework as it is you that is paying for the vehicle.
You do have a good car, MPG is dependant upon driving style and conditions , diesels will give more mpg than the equivalent petrol engine size (but not power) .
It would also depend on what the dealership had in to offer you at the time.
At anytime until you placed the deposit, you could have gone away to have a think about it and ask questions before making a commitment.

I was advised to go with a Diesel as it was cheaper to run than the petrol equivalent, but as I have found out the petrol would of been the better option as I dont do the mileage and the driving requirements for a diesel.

I do now think is it a manufacturer problem rather than a mis-selling
problem, as pointed out other manufacturers have no problems with there diesels and DPF products.

Dont know what I am going do do with my old car as I wouldn't feel comfortable selling it to someone when the DPF light will go off for all sorts of reasons.

Ultrasonic

scooterb wrote: »

I do now think is it a manufacturer problem rather than a mis-selling
problem, as pointed out other manufacturers have no problems with there diesels and DPF products.

Other manufacturers do have issues with DPFs, but some are obviously more problematic than others.

Iceweasel

scooterb wrote: »

I was advised to go with a Diesel as it was cheaper to run than the petrol equivalent, but as I have found out the petrol would of been the better option as I dont do the mileage and the driving requirements for a diesel.

I do now think is it a manufacturer problem rather than a mis-selling
problem, as pointed out other manufacturers have no problems with there diesels and DPF products.

Dont know what I am going do do with my old car as I wouldn't feel comfortable selling it to someone when the DPF light will go off for all sorts of reasons.

A quick check on a couple of vehicle specific forums will show that to be definitely not the case.

See here as an example:

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/search.php?keywords=DPF+blocked

Retrogamer

force_ten wrote: »

if you tap on a full tin and it sounds like a full tin, tap on an empty tin and it sounds like an empty tin

same applies to a DPF tap it and it sounds empty, the change to the MOT has been brought in to stop people gutting the DPF, so do you really think it will stop at just a visual check to see if the dpf shell is in place ?

I can assure you that the MOT inspector won't be able fail a vehicle for a suspected gutted DPF.

They should always give the benefit of the doubt.

There is no reason for the inspector to even tap it anyway.
Simply a visual inspector to see if the DPF filter is still present and isn't badly leaking any exhaust gases

force_ten

Retrogamer wrote: »

I can assure you that the MOT inspector won't be able fail a vehicle for a suspected gutted DPF.

They should always give the benefit of the doubt.

There is no reason for the inspector to even tap it anyway.
Simply a visual inspector to see if the DPF filter is still present and isn't badly leaking any exhaust gases

that may be the case at present but things may change

the diesel particle filter is to stop the car blowing clouds of black smoke and they have to fit them to all new diesel cars, people start gutting them to cure problems of the filter blocking, VOSA change the rules to check if the DPF is in place, so people carry on gutting the filter and leaving the empty can in place

Do you think VOSA will say you win and just forget about it ?, I think not when they realize that the DPF can are being refitted empty they will change things again to make the checks more stringent

WTFH

Did the salesman force you at gunpoint to buy the car you bought?
How long have you owned it?
How much compensation would you like?

Cornucopia

scooterb wrote: »

I was advised to go with a Diesel as it was cheaper to run than the petrol equivalent, but as I have found out the petrol would of been the better option as I dont do the mileage and the driving requirements for a diesel.

Depending on the information you gave the Dealer, there probably was an element of mis-selling. However, that concept means little in the Car industry (for the time being, anyway).

If this was not long ago, I would make representations to the Manager of the Dealership, and/or the Manufacturer, if it was a main Dealer. You may get a goodwill offer of some sort.

If you had come here, first, we would all (well most of us) given you the stock answer on Petrol vs. Diesel, which is that if you are not doing the miles, you won't save any money. (And part of doing the miles is doing the motorway miles to regen the DPF).

(Not that long got in from a reasonably long drive, and the C4 is showing 175 miles since fill-up + 497 range to go - nice, but this is the kind of driving where a diesel makes sense.).