Mis-selling of diesel cars

Trebor16

Netwizard wrote: »

28MPG from a diesel mondeo TDCI whilst using it for 2 weeks on my 3 mile commute to work whilst my car was off the road for repairs and my mates BMW on a similar commute with similar MPG

So on the basis of your experience with one car you assume all diesels have terrible economy around town. Not only that you then compare it with a totally different make and model of car.

Netwizard

Cornucopia wrote: »

Horses for courses. If I only got that kind of MPG, it would be costing me nearly £2000 extra in fuel costs every year.

I agree in part but whether to go diesel or petrol depends on your mileage and situation. Not bashing the OP but this is why people must do their research on which is best first. Sit down and look at insurance, tax, servicing costs, cost of consumables like tyres, brakes, cost of potential repairs etc

A lot of people just look at the MPG saving they can make over the year, forgetting that saving can be wiped out by a DMF and a few injectors, but as you say, horses for courses

Trebor16

Netwizard wrote: »

You're correct I was just saying that diesel mpg isn't always brilliant. For town driving, a small petrol car would be preferable to a diesel

I get 20mpg from my petrol car, which is 8mpg less than the diesel, but considering my car is a 2.3 turbo estate with 160,000 miles on it, I don't think 20mpg is bad (considering the mpg of the diesel). My annual mileage is very low also.

The diesel is 40% more economical than your own car.

Netwizard

Trebor16 wrote: »

So on the basis of your experience with one car you assume all diesels have terrible economy around town. Not only that you then compare it with a totally different make and model of car.

I didn't say ALL diesel's have terrible MPG. I'm sure the VAG 1.2TDI / 1.4TDI so pretty well around town, but if your only doing that sort of driving, surely you would just get a small petrol in the first place and not have the worry of all the usual diesel problems.

But as said above, its all horses for courses and everyone will have a different opinion Its each to their own.

Back to the topic in hand, I don't think the OP has a case for mis selling, but of course others might think different.

Netwizard

Trebor16 wrote: »

The diesel is 40% more economical than your own car.

Maybe it is, but considering it had to have a £1,000 DMF / Clutch replacement, the MPG saving was wiped out by that repair cost

Ultrasonic

Netwizard wrote: »

I get 20mpg from my petrol car, which is 8mpg less than the diesel, but considering my car is a 2.3 turbo estate with 160,000 miles on it, I don't think 20mpg is bad (considering the mpg of the diesel). My annual mileage is very low also.

It's a still a bit of a stretch to claim that the 40% increase in mpg you saw with the diesel is evidence of diesel mpg being worse than petrol cars around town! As above, the number of diesel powered taxis would also suggest otherwise.

To get back on topic, I do wonder how taxis with DPFs fair?

Cornucopia

Have you never seen them going for a burn-up down Park Lane?

Ultrasonic

Cornucopia wrote: »

Have you never seen them going for a burn-up down Park Lane?

1) No.
2) Taxis (and people) do exist outside London!

Trebor16

Netwizard wrote: »

I didn't say ALL diesel's have terrible MPG.

This is what you said :- "Diesel mpg is also terrible around town"

You were not specific about the car you had used but you made a general statement which implied that all diesels were terrible around town.

Netwizard wrote:

I'm sure the VAG 1.2TDI / 1.4TDI so pretty well around town, but if your only doing that sort of driving, surely you would just get a small petrol in the first place and not have the worry of all the usual diesel problems.

It's not as simple as that, as mileage comes into it, whether you buy new or secondhand, the type of journeys you do.

Netwizard wrote:

But as said above, its all horses for courses and everyone will have a different opinion Its each to their own.

Back to the topic in hand, I don't think the OP has a case for mis selling, but of course others might think different.

I think the OP has no chance whatsoever of claiming mis-selling, given what he has told us so far. Caveat emptor applies and if you go and buy a car without researching it properly and being sure it will meet your needs then its no good blaming the salesman. Most sales staff don't have anything like the knowledge of the product they should have and to rely on them would be the same as asking a mechanic for advice on how to knit.

Ultrasonic

Netwizard wrote: »

Maybe it is, but considering it had to have a £1,000 DMF / Clutch replacement, the MPG saving was wiped out by that repair cost

Indeed, but that's a totally different argument. Your posts implied that you don't get better mpg with a diesel around town, which isn't true.

Trebor16 wrote:

Most sales staff don't have anything like the knowledge of the product they should have and to rely on them would be the same as asking a mechanic for advice on how to knit.

That really shouldn't be the case though, should it?