MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

wildwestfan

nannytone wrote: »

you think thats acceptable?
what about the poor overcrowded families?
or is it just the disabled and unemployed peoples spare rooms that they need?

How many of the poor overcrowded families would fit into a 1 bed home in a sheltered scheme?

nannytone_2

Confuseddot wrote: »

Where did the 66% figure come from ? How are people classed as disabled ? Most sane and capable people understand that having a stutter does not require an extra bedroom. You will probably find not many people disagree with hurting those who really need it but as of today I have not seen anything backing up your stories.

you dispute the figures, and i must say that i agree with you. some of the 'disabbilities' are not life changing.
but a loty are.... or are they the acceptable casualties?

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

How many of the poor overcrowded families would fit into a 1 bed home in a sheltered scheme?

if they were reclassified, a single disabled person/unemployed person could move in and free up a 2/3 bed home

~Chameleon~

wildwestfan wrote: »

You just will not accept that pensioners can have a decent income in retirement. Certainly enough to pay their own way. My personal pension is over £1k a month plus extremely generous SRP. My other half would still get half my private one if I died plus her own SRP plus her own private one and of course vice versa. Think rent would still be manageable if need be.

I'm quite well aware that pensions can provide a decent lifestyle. I took early retirement myself (on medical grounds) and live quite comfortably but then I have no rent or mortgage to pay. As I said previously, the retired people I know are relatively affluent but they own their own properties or live with family (or have sold property to pay for care homes). None of them rent.

I'll reiterate. If they can afford to pay rent out of their pension then they shouldn't be living in SH property. Leave it for those who need it.

wildwestfan

nannytone wrote: »

if they were reclassified, a single disabled person/unemployed person could move in and free up a 2/3 bed home

What about the pensioner left living alone in their family home, claiming pension credit, council tax support. Hasn't the cash to maintain their home, heat it adequately etc. Surely it is better to let them sell the property and move into a purpose built SH property.

They will no longer claim any benefits and will be free of the worry of a home they can't afford. Seems eminently sensible to me.
Unemployed/disabled people aren't the only deserving ones in the country you know.

~Chameleon~

wildwestfan wrote: »

How many of the poor overcrowded families would fit into a 1 bed home in a sheltered scheme?

But they don't all live in one bedroomed sheltered homes. Many still in live in their lifelong 3 or 4 bed family homes which are needed by other families! These are the ones we are discussing! :wall:

TimmyM

So who do we go to to claim moneys back

wildwestfan

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I'll reiterate. If they can afford to pay rent out of their pension then they shouldn't be living in SH property. Leave it for those who need it.

Perhaps we should just put them down altogether. Absolutely OK to support people who have never done a thing to help themselves all through their adult life but lets chuck pensioners who can pay their own rent out on the street. Sort of reverse means test.

Confuseddot

nannytone wrote: »

i dont think that as a blind person. i was being overly limiting in 'wanting ( needing is a better term) to stay in an area i knew.

pbviously you see it as something i desired rather than needed. but thats to be expected from someone who has no knowledge of how isolating blinndness is

I can understand where you are coming from, but you have a need to be provided with shelter which could have be met in a different area without any cost per week. yes it would be harder for you to move to a new area but if it meant that you didn't have to pay any money out and could be guaranteed a home for life then surely that is a good thing.


The basic level of Maslows hierarchy of needs is physiology - air, food, drink, shelter, warmth, sleep.

Confuseddot

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I'm quite well aware that pensions can provide a decent lifestyle. I took early retirement myself (on medical grounds) and live quite comfortably but then I have no rent or mortgage to pay. As I said previously, the retired people I know are relatively affluent but they own their own properties or live with family (or have sold property to pay for care homes). None of them rent.

I'll reiterate. If they can afford to pay rent out of their pension then they shouldn't be living in SH property. Leave it for those who need it.

so therefore you are saying that anyone who can afford to pay rent should not be in SH property and they should only be used for unemployed and sick people.