MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

~Chameleon~

wildwestfan wrote: »

Perhaps we should just put them down altogether. Absolutely OK to support people who have never done a thing to help themselves all through their adult life but lets chuck pensioners who can pay their own rent out on the street. Sort of reverse means test.

You really don't get it do you?! :wall:

I'll explain as simply as I can...

1) there are pensioners currently living in SH properties far too large for their needs.

2) families and single people under pension age are currently being financially penalised if they live in a SH property deemed too large for their needs.

3) pensioners are neither financially penalised nor asked to downsize to a suitable one bed property.

4) the tax payer is paying for the majority of these pensioners in underoccupied SH.

5) the system is wholly unfair.

6) Pensioners should be subject to the same financial penalty the same as everyone else if they wish to remain in a larger property. After all, if they're all as wealthy as you make out then they can easily afford it.

Get it now?

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

what about the pensioner left living alone in their family home, claiming pension credit, council tax support. Hasn't the cash to maintain their home, heat it adequately etc. Surely it is better to let them sell the property and move into a purpose built sh property.

They will no longer claim any benefits and will be free of the worry of a home they can't afford. Seems eminently sensible to me.
Unemployed/disabled people aren't the only deserving ones in the country you know.

judging by this forum, the disabled/unemployed are the undeserving and are blamed for everything including havein a spare bedroom that they dont want or use but are expected to pay for!

All the sheltered housing bungalows here( and there are a lot!) are 2 bed.
My father in law for example ... Was paying no rent or council tax and was getting £400 a week in rensions and benefits a week with 100% hb and council tax benefit.
At the time i gad a 2 bed flat ( because there were no 1 bed properties) £140 a week income and was p-aying £14 a week rent and £5 a week counxcil tax.
Its all fair isnt it

wildwestfan

nannytone wrote: »

if they were reclassified, a single disabled person/unemployed person could move in and free up a 2/3 bed home

They wouldn't need to be reclassified in this area. The sole criteria is that someone needs to be claiming DLA/PIP or aged over 60. I know a young couple in their 30's living in a 1 bed bungalow in a sheltered scheme. She works full time, he is physically disabled.

custardy

missnjg wrote: »

perhaps if you are forced to leave a home and neighbourhood you have lived in for over 17 years you would understand!!!

I have relocated many times
every time had a financial background to it

~Chameleon~

Confuseddot wrote: »

so therefore you are saying that anyone who can afford to pay rent should not be in SH property and they should only be used for unemployed and sick people.

Another one who can't bloody read. I give up! Have fun everyone

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

they wouldn't need to be reclassified in this area. The sole criteria is that someone needs to be claiming dla/pip or aged over 60. I know a young couple in their 30's living in a 1 bed bungalow in a sheltered scheme. She works full time, he is physically disabled.

as i said before ... It would be irrelevant here because all the pensioner bungalows are 2 bed

custardy

mojos.revenge wrote: »

I don't actually know any of their other friends, so I can't comment, and as you don't either it's rather a foolish answer. Only to be expected I suspect.

You really need to start looking up, if stuff is going to go over your head this much.

custardy

wildwestfan wrote: »

You just will not accept that pensioners can have a decent income in retirement. Certainly enough to pay their own way. My personal pension is over £1k a month plus extremely generous SRP. My other half would still get half my private one if I died plus her own SRP plus her own private one and of course vice versa. Think rent would still be manageable if need be.

An ex postie mates dad is retired and easily makes more than his son on pension income
So thats over £20k

Confuseddot

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Another one who can't bloody read. I give up! Have fun everyone

How else is this supposed to be taken ?


"I'll reiterate. If they can afford to pay rent out of their pension then they shouldn't be living in SH property. Leave it for those who need it."


So is it just pensioners who should rent privately if they can afford to ? Really what point are you trying to make ?

wildwestfan

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

You really don't get it do you?! :wall:

I'll explain as simply as I can...

1) there are pensioners currently living in SH properties far too large for their needs.

2) families and single people under pension age are currently being financially penalised if they live in a SH property deemed too large for their needs.

3) pensioners are neither financially penalised nor asked to downsize to a suitable one bed property.

4) the tax payer is paying for the majority of these pensioners in underoccupied SH.

5) the system is wholly unfair.

6) Pensioners should be subject to the same financial penalty the same as everyone else if they wish to remain in a larger property. After all, if they're all as wealthy as you make out then they can easily afford it.

Get it now?

I don't make the laws of the land. No doubt the Government had their reasons for excluding pensioners from the legislation.

I still think that there are many many pensioners paying their own rent.

I think it is rather more difficult for someone aged 80+ to move from a home they have lived in for several decades than for someone below retirement age. At that age it really doesn't take much change to cause confusion and mental deterioration.

It is impossible to discuss anything with you because you are not open to anyone else's point of view. You do know it is possible that just occasionally you could be not aware of all the facts or even just plain wrong?