MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

~Chameleon~

Confuseddot wrote: »

How else is this supposed to be taken ?


"I'll reiterate. If they can afford to pay rent out of their pension then they shouldn't be living in SH property. Leave it for those who need it."


So is it just pensioners who should rent privately if they can afford to ? Really what point are you trying to make ?

You've taken one sentence out of context. Try following the conversation. It helps.

Confuseddot

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

You've taken one sentence out of context. Try following the conversation. It helps.

Or are you just annoyed at being caught out ?




you were talking about pensioners who pay there own rent, either by selling the property they own and moving into SH or having a decent pension.

sniggings

wildwestfan wrote: »

I don't make the laws of the land. No doubt the Government had their reasons for excluding pensioners from the legislation.

I still think that there are many many pensioners paying their own rent.

I think it is rather more difficult for someone aged 80+ to move from a home they have lived in for several decades than for someone below retirement age. At that age it really doesn't take much change to cause confusion and mental deterioration.

It is impossible to discuss anything with you because you are not open to anyone else's point of view. You do know it is possible that just occasionally you could be not aware of all the facts or even just plain wrong?

that sounds reasonable if the fact that over 60% that pay the bedroom tax were not disabled.

And the government were told that was going to be the case before they brought this tax in.

The reason the pensioners are excluded is obvious they are the tories main supporters.

northerntwo1

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

You really don't get it do you?! :wall:

I'll explain as simply as I can...

1) there are pensioners currently living in SH properties far too large for their needs.

2) families and single people under pension age are currently being financially penalised if they live in a SH property deemed too large for their needs.

3) pensioners are neither financially penalised nor asked to downsize to a suitable one bed property.

4) the tax payer is paying for the majority of these pensioners in underoccupied SH.

5) the system is wholly unfair.

6) Pensioners should be subject to the same financial penalty the same as everyone else if they wish to remain in a larger property. After all, if they're all as wealthy as you make out then they can easily afford it.

Get it now?

Didn't the poster say those OAP's were paying in which case most of your points are irrelevant if they are paying.

Your posts above state that most working people in your area are paying huge rents plus tax, many sharing with others in order to pay for others to have a spare room. How can that be logical when people are asked to contribute to rents of others in a more enviable position.

~Chameleon~

wildwestfan wrote: »

I don't make the laws of the land. No doubt the Government had their reasons for excluding pensioners from the legislation.

I still think that there are many many pensioners paying their own rent.

I think it is rather more difficult for someone aged 80+ to move from a home they have lived in for several decades than for someone below retirement age. At that age it really doesn't take much change to cause confusion and mental deterioration.

And exactly the same applies to those who suffer mental ill health that are being forced to move, often away from their support system, family and friends. How is that fair?

And surely a person of that age rattling around in a home far too large would be much better off moving into sheltered accommodation?

It is impossible to discuss anything with you because you are not open to anyone else's point of view. You do know it is possible that just occasionally you could be not aware of all the facts or even just plain wrong?

Oh, I am open to other people's point of view. I listen and I learn. I put forward scenarios to discuss. It's called debate. Some people seem to fail to manage the most basic of reading skills at times though.

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

i don't make the laws of the land. No doubt the government had their reasons for excluding pensioners from the legislation.

I still think that there are many many pensioners paying their own rent.

I think it is rather more difficult for someone aged 80+ to move from a home they have lived in for several decades than for someone below retirement age. At that age it really doesn't take much change to cause confusion and mental deterioration.

It is impossible to discuss anything with you because you are not open to anyone else's point of view. You do know it is possible that just occasionally you could be not aware of all the facts or even just plain wrong?

thats a sweeping statement. My great nan died at 104 and lived in her own home until she died, she was 100% lucid and on the ball til the day she died.
I however, am blind. I adapt to a new home rapidly, but a new area id something else.
Yet thats what is expected.
I hyad 46 years of reasonable sight before i became blind, and you cant adfapt that easiluy. But dont let that stop benefit being cut if i have a spare room .......l

wildwestfan

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

But they don't all live in one bedroomed sheltered homes. Many still in live in their lifelong 3 or 4 bed family homes which are needed by other families! These are the ones we are discussing! :wall:

Wonder if there are any figures for this assertion? It gets bandied around an awful lot but no one ever offers any figures. Plus only those claiming Housing Benefit because if they are paying their own rent then they have the same choice as the rest of us as to where they choose to live.

~Chameleon~

Confuseddot wrote: »

Or are you just annoyed at being caught out ?




you were talking about pensioners who pay there own rent, either by selling the property they own and moving into SH or having a decent pension.

Then you need to go back and re-read properly. The discussion is about pensioners claiming HB to live in 3 or 4 bed houses when they should be moved into suitable 1 or 2 bed properties.

That's what happens when you jump in mid-conversation and pick on a single post to comment upon out of context.

~Chameleon~

wildwestfan wrote: »

Wonder if there are any figures for this assertion? It gets bandied around an awful lot but no one ever offers any figures. Plus only those claiming Housing Benefit because if they are paying their own rent then they have the same choice as the rest of us as to where they choose to live.

Which is exactly what I said originally. Hurrah!! We've finally come around full circle and you're now agreeing with me :T

The other point I was trying to ascertain was whether pensioners in SH would be able to afford to pay rent on a pension and, if so, whether they should actually be living in SH.

nannytone_2

confuseddot wrote: »

i can understand where you are coming from, but you have a need to be provided with shelter which could have be met in a different area without any cost per week. Yes it would be harder for you to move to a new area but if it meant that you didn't have to pay any money out and could be guaranteed a home for life then surely that is a good thing.


The basic level of maslows hierarchy of needs is physiology - air, food, drink, shelter, warmth, sleep.

so all a blind person should expect from life is a roof over their head and nothing more?
Is that all your life consists of?