MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

regbrown

Another one with a warped self view:
"Honesty,integrity,self sufficiency."
Hmm disagree on the first, second is a joke. There is zero integrity in attacking the disabled, god knows how you have come to the conclusion there is.

Seems to me your view of who you are and who you actually are don't quite match up.

On a broader point, I know a few people. Some are well adjusted, happy and capable people. None of these people would make any of the comments made on here that suggest this policy is fine. I also know plenty of damaged, broken and deluded people. They would be quite at home with some of the comments in favour.

Its a basic stance of decency, those with disabilities should not be targeted. This policy was formed with the direct knowledge that it would it affect the disabled, 66% of all those affected have a disability.

Most sane and capable people would throw it out at this point. They chose to continue it and a small minority of broken folk are defending it. Those people should genuinely ask themselves a few questions about how they have arrived at allowing themselves to be so egocentric and damaged that they can add more suffering to those who we should be supporting.

custardy

missnjg wrote: »

and for your information I only had one spare bedroom when my son moved out so I only 'tied up' as you put it, a spare room in a house we had made lots of improvements to, for a total of nine months before moving out only for it now to be under occupied by another family!!

You can give all the info you like.
Why are you aggrieved at someone else 'under occupying,but it was fine for you?
Are you defining 1 person to a bedroom under occupying,but you with 2 empty fine?

nannytone_2

SailorSam wrote: »

I must apologise to those that don't like the words but the 'bedroom tax' doesn't effect me 'cos i own my own house.
In places such as London it might seem a good idea but in Liverpool as in many other parts of the Country when the Council origionally built houses they did a few 2 bedroom, a few 4 bedroom but mainly 3 bedroom. This over occupancy charge or whatever you want to call it has led to old people having to move out of the homes they've brought their families up in. There aren't any smaller Council houses they can move to so end up in the private sector, so claiming even more in housing benefit. And the 3 bedroom house ? Well they're getting boarded up or vandalised 'cos people only want small properties.
The bedroom tax may be a great idea in London and parts of the SE but for the rest of the Country there is already empty houses.

pensioners arent affected, they can rattle aroubd with however many bedrooms they like. its people trying to move from 2 bed to 1 bed that are mostly affected

~Chameleon~

custardy wrote: »

How else. Are you seriously asking that question?
They pay it from their pensions.

Yes, I am seriously asking that question. All the pensioners I know either own their own properties or are in nursing homes, having sold their properties to pay for it, or are living with family members. I don't know of any living in rental accommodation past retirement age that don't obviously claim state pension and HB.

custardy

regbrown wrote: »

Another one with a warped self view:
"Honesty,integrity,self sufficiency."
Hmm disagree on the first, second is a joke. There is zero integrity in attacking the disabled, god knows how you have come to the conclusion there is.

Seems to me your view of who you are and who you actually are don't quite match up.

On a broader point, I know a few people. Some are well adjusted, happy and capable people. None of these people would make any of the comments made on here that suggest this policy is fine. I also know plenty of damaged, broken and deluded people. They would be quite at home with some of the comments in favour.

Its a basic stance of decency, those with disabilities should not be targeted. This policy was formed with the direct knowledge that it would it affect the disabled, 66% of all those affected have a disability.

Most sane and capable people would throw it out at this point. They chose to continue it and a small minority of broken folk are defending it. Those people should genuinely ask themselves a few questions about how they have arrived at allowing themselves to be so egocentric and damaged that they can add more suffering to those who we should be supporting.

:rotfl:

So what should be the criteria for the number of empty bedrooms in a social housing property?

custardy

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Yes, I am seriously asking that question. All the pensioners I know either own their own properties or are in nursing homes, having sold their properties to pay for it, or are living with family members. I don't know of any living in rental accommodation past retirement age that don't obviously claim state pension and HB.

Well you dont know many. There are many retired folks living in rentals
Where do you see the folks in these threads living in retirement?

regbrown

custardy wrote: »

:rotfl:

So what should be the criteria for the number of empty bedrooms in a social housing property?

glad you find it amusing, says a lot to be honest, but you expect it

if your disabled and you need another room, you get it. not overly complicated.

If you have a spare room and your offered a property in the area with less rooms and you refuse to take it (no disability) then you can lose the money.

Excluding parents with joint custody as this penalises the child if they cant stay at their parents.

~Chameleon~

custardy wrote: »

Well you dont know many. There are many retired folks living in rentals
Where do you see the folks in these threads living in retirement?

And how do they afford this out of an average pension of £11,600 pa unless they're also claiming HB?

nannytone_2

65% of the inhabitants of the market town where i live are of pension age. all those i know ( quite a lot through my in laws) receive housing benefit. i can honestly say that i dont know any oensioners in social housing that pay their own rent

wildwestfan

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Yes, I am seriously asking that question. All the pensioners I know either own their own properties or are in nursing homes, having sold their properties to pay for it, or are living with family members. I don't know of any living in rental accommodation past retirement age that don't obviously claim state pension and HB.

My local Housing Association states that of their 800 1 bedroomed homes designated as sheltered only 600 tenants claim any housing benefit. So obviously quite a few pensioners manage to scrape up the rent from pension income.