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Platitudes like that are for politicians pretending to be all things to all voters.gadgetmind wrote: »Get rid of the nanny state .
Why don't you say what you mean?
What would you do with the woman and kids who turns up homeless?“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »What would you do with the woman and kids who turns up homeless?
If they were friends or relatives then I'd take them in until they got back on their feet. This would *not* be indefinitely and neither would I give them money to buy beer, fags and large flatscreen TVs.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »If they were friends or relatives then I'd take them in until they got back on their feet. This would *not* be indefinitely and neither would I give them money to buy beer, fags and large flatscreen TVs.
... and if you saw that they did have money from somewhere to waste on beer and fags, you'd rightly boot them out onto the street for taking advantage of your hospitality.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »If they were friends or relatives then I'd take them in until they got back on their feet. This would *not* be indefinitely and neither would I give them money to buy beer, fags and large flatscreen TVs.
And if they were not friends or relatives and you were the government in charge of benefits. Would you put women and children out on the street?
These are the difficult questions that can't be answered with meaningless political spin like the populist comment about the nanny state.
(By the way how do you know the TV reporter didn't pay for the beer? How else would he get invited into their homes and get the pictures he wanted?)“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »And if they were not friends or relatives and you were the government in charge of benefits.
I'd take them in until they got back on their feet. This would *not* be indefinitely and neither would I give them money to buy beer, fags and large flatscreen TVs.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
... and if you saw that they did have money from somewhere to waste on beer and fags, you'd rightly boot them out onto the street for taking advantage of your hospitality.
Yes, instantly, and without so much as a twinge of guilt. I might offer to hang onto the kids for a few days, but anyone over 18 can sod off and get a job before they so much as think about darkening my towels again.
As it happens, over the years I have taken in waifs and strays, given jobs to mates fresh out of prison to help them get their act together, taken troubled youngsters under my wing and turned them into engineers and businessmen, and much much more.
But those I help need to put in as much as I do (ideally *lots* more) or they are clearly just along for a free ride and need a great big helping of tough love.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
You are sounding like a politician.gadgetmind wrote: »I'd take them in until they got back on their feet. This would *not* be indefinitely and neither would I give them money to buy beer, fags and large flatscreen TVs.
Its pointless trying to get a straight answer to a straight question.“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
So how would that work for the Governmentgadgetmind wrote: »Yes, instantly, and without so much as a twinge of guilt. I might offer to hang onto the kids for a few days, but anyone over 18 can sod off and get a job before they so much as think about darkening my towels again.
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The Government forcibly takes away the children into some sort of Dickensian Orphanage, then puts their parents out on the street to starve? (or more likely steal) Have you actually thought that one through?“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” --Upton Sinclair0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »Its pointless trying to get a straight answer to a straight question.
I gave you a *very* straight answer and told you *exactly* what I'd do. If you don't like my answer, or don't understand it, then perhaps we just need to move on.Have you actually thought that one through?
The government's current approach is to hook these people up to the magic money tree, rain benefits on their heads with no strings attached, and make no attempt to get them back on their feet.
Have they actually thought that one through?I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Glen_Clark wrote: »At the risk of stating the obvious what happens when they haven't got 'parents or another relative' they can move in with?
I would put them up in a hostel, which provides a basic breakfast and healthy dinners.
They would be required to help keep the hostel clean, and help out in the kitchen and garden to pay for their keep.
They would also be required to do voluntary work whilst the kids are at nursery and/or school so that they can acquire the skills needed to find paid work once their youngest child goes to school full time.Smiles are as perfect a gift as hugs...
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