Crazy JSA Sanction

essor

missapril75 wrote: »

Just wondering....do you not go near a hospital because of stories about bugs or long waits?

Do you not cross the street because of people being run over? Not buy food because of stories of contamination?

Might it not be more reasonable to adopt the attitude that negative experiences of all these things are a small minority and you don't hear about all the times people had good experiences in hospital, of crossing the road, buying groceries, claiming benefits etc?

You need to get out more, you seem to exist on the internet, try reading it once in a while instead of hanging around in forums posting ridiculous analogies.

missapril75

essor wrote: »

what I resent the most is having to explain myself to a doddering jobsworth busy body

You don't think this attitude of yours might be a problem? Or are you a model of impeccable behaviour in your dealings with the JC and you're just objectionable on this forum?

While the sort of thing you are experiencing has been well reported, so have the pressures upon the staff to do as they're told or face the consequences.

And you call them a jobsworth for having to do that.

Nice.

missapril75

essor wrote: »

You need to get out more, you seem to exist on the internet,

Says the person with a dozen posts in about 24 hours and everyone of them whingeing about something and not offering anything positive or helpful.

Credibility gone.

:rotfl::rotfl:

essor

missapril75 wrote: »

You don't think this attitude of yours might be a problem? Or are you a model of impeccable behaviour in your dealings with the JC and you're just objectionable on this forum?

While the sort of thing you are experiencing has been well reported, so have the pressures upon the staff to do as they're told or face the consequences.

And you call them a jobsworth for having to do that.

Nice.

This "attitude of mine" is what keeps me from going under, It's nothing personal ..it's my job.
I'm not going to waste the time trying to describe anything else to you purely on the basis of you previous comments.

Nice.

missapril75

essor wrote: »

This "attitude of mine" is what keeps me from going under, It's nothing personal ..it's my job.

Well that explains a lot. :rotfl:

essor

missapril75 wrote: »

Says the person with a dozen posts in about 24 hours and everyone of them whingeing about something and not offering anything positive or helpful.

Credibility gone.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Credibility in this forum ? hahahahahaha. no thanks, I live in the real world miss keyboard warrior, something your obviously too naive to face.

osdset

Might it not be more reasonable to adopt the attitude that negative experiences of all these things are a small minority and you don't hear about all the times people had good experiences in hospital, of crossing the road, buying groceries, claiming benefits etc?

The reason that good experiences don't get much press is because there aren't many. I'm a member of four forums that either mainly deal with benefit issues or have a large section devoted to them, and the vast majority of posts are negative.

I read more and more posts where jobseekers are sanctioned for the most petty reasons by LM DMA's, what would have been regarded as a minor infringement warranting a warning by a JCP advisor a couple of years ago is now a sanctionable offence. Benefit of the doubt is non existent.

Anyone claiming a benefit that has some form of conditionality attached will fall foul of the system eventually because the system has been gradually engineered to set people up for a fall.

Even the process whereby a claimant can get a decision looked at again is heavily biased against them, there can be no face-to-face discussion it has to be done over the phone.
A fair system would not make those with the least resources, or none at all use an 0845 business rate number and then remove all the free-to-use landline phones from Jobcentres.

Stand back and look at the sanction regime, someone committing a minor criminal offence would most likely get fined at court, an inconvenience to them perhaps but not the end of the world.
A Jobseeker that gets fined by way of sanction loses 100% of what the government says is the minimum needed to live on.

The punishment so outweighs the 'crime' that we might just as well go back to the dark ages.

melysion

missapril75 wrote: »

Just wondering....do you not go near a hospital because of stories about bugs or long waits?

Do you not cross the street because of people being run over? Not buy food because of stories of contamination?

Might it not be more reasonable to adopt the attitude that negative experiences of all these things are a small minority and you don't hear about all the times people had good experiences in hospital, of crossing the road, buying groceries, claiming benefits etc?

Its a poor comparison imho. Claiming JSA is almost universally a bad and demeaning experience. If I thought for one moment I would actually get support and help rather than harassment and punishment then of course I would use it. I've got every right to, I am aware of that.

But not one person that I actually know that claims JSA has got a single positive thing to say about it. And I'm not prepared to be treated like a six year old and a lesser human being who can't do anything at all without permission (in case it affects my availability to work in some bizarre way). There is a recent thread here about whether anyone would dare not to look for jobs on xmas day. Pardon me? I'm pretty darn sure that 99% of people claiming JSA are desperate to start work again. They dont need or deserve the constant threat of destitution to seek employment. I know someone who is incredibly anxious whenever he signs on just in case he has inadvertently done "something wrong" (he has never been sanctioned but he lives in fear of it).

Why in gods name would I want to put myself though that? I am already building a private tutoring client list anyway, thank goodness. At least this way I know the money is mine and that I have earned it, rather than receiving money I would almost have to grovel for. To heck with that.

The system has gone very very wrong if people like me don't feel like they can use a safety net that they have contributed to for 20 years, don't you think?

iammumtoone

Can I ask a question about sanctions?

When does the money stop? Is it when the adviser refers the sanction or when the decision maker has checked it (how long does it take for the check to be carried out?)?

I keep hearing that the advisers do not issue sanctions it is the decision makers but surely it should be deemed as issued once the payments stop, at what point does this happen?

iammumtoone

busy_mom wrote: »

As for having access to your account it really makes no difference because if she couldn't save to your basket the adviser would have printed the copy, noted the system with the reference number and then followed it up with you, this would result in the same outcome.

But it would make a difference as if the OP would have had a printed copy of the job (via post) they could have applied regardless if the job was closed on the system as they would have the details they need to do so.