Parking fine while picking up children

anotherbaldrick

I can certainly remember more pleasant times when is was " After you Cyril, No ! after you Claude " ITMA was a very British way of life.

zappahey

Iceweasel wrote: »

I have reviewed my responses to this thread and have slowly and carefully read the first 2 pages.

The wording of the OP's opening post made it very clear for me that the sole reason for parking on the yellow line was because it was cold.

Having read Coupon_Mad's post (and, based on her posting history, I'm sure she's absolutely right), I understand that the perfectly legal reason for parking on the single yellow line was that they were dropping off a young child. The cold weather was the reason that the young child was in the car in the first place and is irrelevant to the legality question.

Retrogamer

anotherbaldrick wrote: »

I can certainly remember more pleasant times when is was " After you Cyril, No ! after you Claude " ITMA was a very British way of life.

That sounds more like very English way of life

iammumtoone

Unfortunately it seems to be the case it is ok to do so with a young child (up to what age is considered young I don't know), I suspect some of the reasons people don't are:-

Its morally wrong outside a school (but this does not make it illegal)

The driver is not even aware they are allowed to do so

The driver does not want the hassle of keep having to appeal parking tickets.

Iceweasel

I think we have lost sight of reality on this post.

Let me see if I've got this right.

So if it's cold we can stop for assisted alighting with a young child and there's no panic as we are exempt from any yellow line - just not the zig-zags.

Of course 'cold' is a relative term so that can't be defined any more than can 'young'.

The child doesn't need to be disabled, handicapped, or special needs either.

We can leave our car on the yellow line (single or double) as long as it takes to do this - so no way of knowing what is an overly long time period either.

So it looks like all yellow lines anywhere near a school can be disregarded then.

Tilt

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What if the OP was parked on the opposite side of the road? Is it then appropriate for a 4 year old to cross a busy road by him/herself? Let me tell you Mr Carter, that my 5 year old son used to attend an primary school which was situated on a busy road, had no parking facilities what-so-ever and had zig-zag entrance markings in front of it. Across the road were DOUBLE yellows and parents used to drop off on them and cross their children over.

Most mornings, there would be a PCSO patrolling to make sure nobody stopped on the zig zag markings, BUT providing that anyone who parked on the DYLs weren't A) causing an obstruction were alone in the car C) only parked for as long as it took to escort the child into the school, then they were exempt from receiving a PCN under boarding and alighting exemptions. There was no issue of disability or special needs it was because of the child's AGE.

Now whether you like it or not myself and Coupon Mad have given accurate advice to an OP who asked for it. The advice was given based on the information available. That information was fairly limited and we were unable to question the OP further but in my posts I pointed out that there would be certain criteria for he/she to have for an appeal to succeed.

So we will sere what the admins now think seeing as you insist on throwing offensive allegations around by us giving "bad" advice shall we? I will bring this now to the attention of the site team. If they consider that you are right and I am wrong, then I will give you a big fat apology.

I have a feeling that won't be necessary.

Tilt

Iceweasel wrote: »

I think we have lost sight of reality on this post.

Let me see if I've got this right.

So if it's cold we can stop for assisted alighting with a young child and there's no panic as we are exempt from any yellow line - just not the zig-zags.

Possibly

Of course 'cold' is a relative term so that can't be defined any more than can 'young'.

Could be a combination of both


The child doesn't need to be disabled, handicapped, or special needs either.

Nope, just not old enough to be able to cross a road without supervision

We can leave our car on the yellow line (single or double) as long as it takes to do this - so no way of knowing what is an overly long time period either.

Under boarding and alighting exemptions,You can leave you car for only the length of time that it takes to escort the child in or out of the building.


So it looks like all yellow lines anywhere near a school can be disregarded then.

No, that would depend on the road layout and other factors. You cannot park dangerously under any circumstances.

Anything else you need clarifying?

Paradigm

Iceweasel wrote: »

I think we have lost sight of reality on this post.

Let me see if I've got this right.

So if it's cold we can stop for assisted alighting with a young child and there's no panic as we are exempt from any yellow line - just not the zig-zags.

Of course 'cold' is a relative term so that can't be defined any more than can 'young'.

The child doesn't need to be disabled, handicapped, or special needs either.

We can leave our car on the yellow line (single or double) as long as it takes to do this - so no way of knowing what is an overly long time period either.

So it looks like all yellow lines anywhere near a school can be disregarded then.

I think what you're missing is that anyone can appeal a parking ticket if they feel they have grounds, they can then take it to adjudication if the council refuse that appeal.

At adjudication all the points you have raised will be taken into account & a decision made.... it's how the law works all the way from parking offences to murder! We all have the right to plead "not guilty".

mgdavid

Tilt wrote: »

Obviously a reminder is needed. Here is the text copied from my post #17 (seems so long ago now dosn't it!);

"A four year old child would be regarded as a vulnerable passenger so providing that you did not cause an obstruction and you left you vehicle on the yellow line for only the amount of time to escort or collect the child into/from the school building, then you should appeal.

However, I am basing this advice on the assumption that the yellow line has just the normal restrictions (i.e. no waiting) and that you were the only person in the car other than the child".

Ok... now i've highlighted some significant words and to save you rushing to grab your dictionary, i'll try and explain why.

The use of the words highlighted suggest (hopefully) that the "advice" was given on the information available. Obviously (well to me anyway) it wasn't intended to be definitive advice because I wasn't privileged to be there to see exactly the circumstances that the OP parked.

The OP came her to ask a question. I answered it by giving a POSSIBLE avenue of appeal. Now whether that turns out to be successful or not will depend on the FACTS surrounding the ACTUAL circumstances that the OP parked under to which I had no REAL knowledge of. Thats why I used the words "PROVIDING" and "ASSUMPTION".

As far as I'm aware, the OP didn't suggest that the child had any disability or special needs although that dosn't necessarily matter as the child is only 4 years old (according to the information given). It COULD be the case that the school is located on a busy road thus making it too hazardous for a child of that age to walk alone. But of course, that is only an assumption as I don't know where the school is.

So despite all the flack, I stand by the "advice" I have given because this is a money saving site and the OP is surely entitled to know what options are available.

We go by the saying that we are innocent until proven guilty do we not? So when the OP appeals, that is the point where it will be decided if he/she was entitled to use the boarding and alighting exemptions or not. Quite frankly, I don't give a toss either way.

Now, this is my final post on the matter. I suggest that if any of you still consider that I am wrong and have broken the rules of the forum in some way by giving "bad" or inaccurate advice, then feel free to bring it to the attention of the admins.

Have a very merry Christmas. :xmastree:

The climbdown from 'I never gave advice' and 'where did I give advice' cracked me up for a good couple of minutes! :T

zappahey

Iceweasel wrote: »

I think we have lost sight of reality on this post.

Let me see if I've got this right.

So if it's cold we can stop for assisted alighting with a young child and there's no panic as we are exempt from any yellow line - just not the zig-zags.

Of course 'cold' is a relative term so that can't be defined any more than can 'young'.

The child doesn't need to be disabled, handicapped, or special needs either.

We can leave our car on the yellow line (single or double) as long as it takes to do this - so no way of knowing what is an overly long time period either.

So it looks like all yellow lines anywhere near a school can be disregarded then.

You're not quite right. It doesn't have to be cold.