Parking fine while picking up children

andygb

Having read some of the latter replies from people, I suppose that the "yummy mummies" will also be allowed to park across folk's drives (blocking access), and on the zigzag lines approcahing crossings.
Is there nothing that you are not "entitled" to/to do when you have a brat in tow?

WTFH

Andy, you're not entitled to discipline them in any way.

Back on topic, in the warm weather if the child is capable of walking from the school gates into the classroom, then in cold weather why do they need to be walked to the classroom and handed over to the teacher?

Does temperature affect how far the parent needs to go with the child before letting go?

duchy

To stop them slipping in the playground perhaps ....or maybe if the weather is bad or wet the kids don't play out in the playground but go straight to their classrooms ? So the parents are expected to escort them to the first supervised point - eg playground in good weather as a teacher will be on playground duty to supervise . That is how I remember it working at my son's primary school.

In my world I'd usually walk my son to school but if I was going straight on to work or somewhere else that needed the car and I didn't want to /didn't have the time to walk the 20 minutes back I'd take the car but go early to make sure I could park . If I didn't and got a ticket-My responsibility and fault.

adouglasmhor

Retrogamer wrote: »

That sounds more like very English way of life

I am Scottish and if you changed the names to Adam and Kenneth and the same would apply. Politeness and respect cost nothing but everyone gains from them.

andygb

duchy wrote: »

If I didn't and got a ticket-My responsibility and fault.

:eek:
What?
Surely you can pin the blame on someone else?:rotfl:

Jamie_Carter

Tilt wrote: »

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What if the OP was parked on the opposite side of the road? Is it then appropriate for a 4 year old to cross a busy road by him/herself? Let me tell you Mr Carter, that my 5 year old son used to attend an primary school which was situated on a busy road, had no parking facilities what-so-ever and had zig-zag entrance markings in front of it. Across the road were DOUBLE yellows and parents used to drop off on them and cross their children over.

Most mornings, there would be a PCSO patrolling to make sure nobody stopped on the zig zag markings, BUT providing that anyone who parked on the DYLs weren't A) causing an obstruction were alone in the car C) only parked for as long as it took to escort the child into the school, then they were exempt from receiving a PCN under boarding and alighting exemptions. There was no issue of disability or special needs it was because of the child's AGE.

Now whether you like it or not myself and Coupon Mad have given accurate advice to an OP who asked for it. The advice was given based on the information available. That information was fairly limited and we were unable to question the OP further but in my posts I pointed out that there would be certain criteria for he/she to have for an appeal to succeed.

So we will sere what the admins now think seeing as you insist on throwing offensive allegations around by us giving "bad" advice shall we? I will bring this now to the attention of the site team. If they consider that you are right and I am wrong, then I will give you a big fat apology.

I have a feeling that won't be necessary.

That was nothing to do with exemptions. It was to do with the PCSOs using their own better judgement.

So you are one of those people who goes crying to the moderators if someone doesn't agree with them are you?? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Maybe you can provide a link to the exact legislation that covers the 'boarding and alighting exemption'.

This is taken from the regulations from one council:

Boarding and alighting [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Picking up or dropping off passengers is permitted on all restrictions except those that prohibit stopping i.e. bus stops and zig-zags. The driver should remain with the vehicle where possible but young children and disabled passengers may be assisted by the driver. Two minutes should be allowed unless the person has a disability or illness that restricts mobility. The onus is on the motorist to prove to the Council that this exemption is applicable.

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Aretnap

Legislation doesn't define boarding and alighting. The Traffic Order just includes an exemption for stopping to pick up or set down passengers. Unless the traffic order explicitly sets out a maximum time period (and I've never seen one that does) there is no specific maximum period - you can stop for as long as necessary to complete the task safely, and no longer.

The council's website might say that they allow two minutes, but they don't have the final say on what's necessary in a given set of circumstances - an adjudicator does. At the end of the day it would be down to the adjudicator to decide what was reasonable in the circumstances, and obviously the longer you were stopped the better an explanation you will have to give of why that was reasonable. IMO the OP would have an uphill struggle to persuade the adjudicator that it was reasonable to leave the car for nearly 10 minutes, but I'm not an adjudicator so my opinion doesn't count for much.

Tilt

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

That was nothing to do with exemptions. It was to do with the PCSOs using their own better judgement.

How the hell do you know that.... do you live in my area and know what exemptions and circumstances apply to this particular school??? For you information, there is little alternative but to drop off on the wrong side of the road as there are zig zag markings along the entire frontage of the school.

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

So you are one of those people who goes crying to the moderators if someone doesn't agree with them are you?? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

No. But I did suggest that you did if you thought my "advice" was that bad. You crossed the line though when you also attempted to dis-credit a highly respected member (Coupon-Mad) from the parking forum... she does know what she is talking about so as you clearly will not see that both her and my contributions were not inaccurate, I invited the site team to take a look and see if they thought and rules had been broken. Well ai appears that so far at least one of your posts has been removed completely!

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Maybe you can provide a link to the exact legislation that covers the 'boarding and alighting exemption'.

Maybe I can't as the legislation allows for different tolerances from council to council. Lets not forget also, that parking has been decriminalized thus meaning that there is no actual law applying to yellow lines... it is now a civil offence.

The quote that you have provided is just from one council. As Aretnap as pointed out above, ultimately it would be for an adjudicator to decide whether the OP was entitled to use the boarding and alighting exemptions under the circumstances in which she parked. I go back to my earlier answer to his/her question by. yet again, pointing out that he/she could appeal under the exemptions providing he/she had parked under certain circumstances.

At least Aretnap seems to understand that better than you do.

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Jamie_Carter

Aretnap wrote: »

Legislation doesn't define boarding and alighting. The Traffic Order just includes an exemption for stopping to pick up or set down passengers. Unless the traffic order explicitly sets out a maximum time period (and I've never seen one that does) there is no specific maximum period - you can stop for as long as necessary to complete the task safely, and no longer.

The council's website might say that they allow two minutes, but they don't have the final say on what's necessary in a given set of circumstances - an adjudicator does. At the end of the day it would be down to the adjudicator to decide what was reasonable in the circumstances, and obviously the longer you were stopped the better an explanation you will have to give of why that was reasonable. IMO the OP would have an uphill struggle to persuade the adjudicator that it was reasonable to leave the car for nearly 10 minutes, but I'm not an adjudicator so my opinion doesn't count for much.

Precisely. If the child was disabled then the OP may have grounds for appeal. But from what we have been told the OP's circumstances are no different to every other parent who drops their child off at the same school. So if the adjudicator allowed one appeal, then they would be basically saying that the parking restrictions could be ignored completely.

Iceweasel

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Precisely. If the child was disabled then the OP may have grounds for appeal. But from what we have been told the OP's circumstances are no different to every other parent who drops their child off at the same school. So if the adjudicator allowed one appeal, then they would be basically saying that the parking restrictions could be ignored completely.

So back to my post #186 then.

Do what you like as long as you keep off zig-zags.

Congratulations Jamie on being poster #200 on this thread.

Plenty life in it yet though.

Pity the OP can't give us any more input.

He/she is hopefully watching all this, and has already sent in an appeal on the grounds of ...........