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(solved) UKPC parking invoice - but it's my car park!
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I was advised on the forum not to send dispute letters to UKPC or similar shady outfits by recorded delivery, or any kind of signed-for delivery service since are likely to try the dirty trick of not signing for them and hence saying they never received the dispute letter. I've been thinking about this and I wonder if this is really the best advice?
Imagine the scenario where they refuse to sign for the letter and it gets returned to me. Assuming they make the mistake of actually taking me to court, it would actually destroy their case when I prove that I sent in a dispute but they didn't even read the letter on the grounds of refusing to sign for it, wouldn't it?
Given this, I would recommend sending letters by Special Delivery, which offers a fully tracked service available at the Royal Mail website. £6 well spent in my book.
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£6 utterly wasted in my book, why throw money at a scam? Especially UKPC who never do court and are laughed at on here.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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FunnyMunny wrote: »... I would recommend sending letters by Special Delivery, which offers a fully tracked service available at the Royal Mail website. £6 well spent in my book.
What do others think?
I agree with Coupon Mad, money wasted. I've read your original post and in all honestly, your case against UKPC considering your circumstances is one of the strongest I have encountered. They have no hope against you.0 -
You send this with a free proof of postage from the post office, it's presumed delivered 2 days later, whether they claim they haven't received it or not. They use the same against you! So can't have it both ways! There is no merit in sending it with proof of delivery at allWhen posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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Coupon and Stoma are right FunnyMunny - by appealing both on-line and getting just proof of delivery even second class post covers you.
The only time I would even consider just Recorded Delivery letter to them would be to raise my own counterclaim - "Personal costs notification" for harassment and damages and then would cover it with second class proof of postage and include it in the costs.
If they haven't responded to the letter previously sent - they will probably back down anyway - UKPC like all PPCs are bullies and use intimidation to obtain money!0 -
There you go corrected lol4consumerrights wrote: »Coupon and Stoma are right FunnyMunny - by appealing both on-line and getting just proof of [STRIKE]delivery[/STRIKE] postage even second class post covers you.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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Whoops! - Thanks Stroma!:beer:0
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Thanks everybody. I'm glad I used the free proof of posting like you advised. You guys rock. :respect:FunnyMunny for the best munny laundering services around! Get your squeaky clean notes here0
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Well, this is interesting.
UKPC's appeals department have actually replied to my letter, if only to justify why they have the supposed right to extort this money from me. It appears to be a template scare letter that doesn't actually address any of the points in my last letter, which actually works in my favour.
It's quite long-winded, so I'll summarize the main points here, in the order made.
- Fake empathy note at my "frustration and inconvenience". Gee, thanks
- Claim I must show a permit as per their client's instructions or I have no authority to park. They go on about there being sufficient signs around the car park
- They want a copy of my permit to "investigate". Investigate how?
- Explain timeline of my "appeal", their reply and chase letters. This bit is accurate
- Explain that the parking charges are levied as per their contract with the driver, according to their terms and conditions. UKPC go on to point out a precedent setting court case or two that failure to follow them will lead to a parking charge which must be paid. Note that they don't say that these are their court cases…
- Explain that they have a contract with the landowner which states that I must show a permit or pay a parking charge. Conveniently, this contract is "confidential" so they can't show it to me, but will show it to a court. I never asked to see it in the first place
- Claim to be audited by independent auditors
- Explain that the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 compels them to inform the registered keeper that the driver must pay the parking charge in full
- Explain that the Act says that if the driver can't be identified, then the money can be screwed out of the registered keeper
- Explain that the parking charge is on hold whilst on appeal. They are now demanding only £60 again, down from the £100 in the chase letters, which must be paid within 35 days of the date of this letter
Now, does anyone spot two glaring omissions in this letter, which work gloriously in my favour?
1 The parking charge amount has dropped. Why drop it if they are in such a strong position?
2 They make no mention of POPLA, my right to POPLA, or give me the POPLA code – which I demanded in my last dispute letter (or have the charge dropped). This has to be the smoking gun that works in my favour, as they are breaking procedure.
And as I mentioned above, this looks very much like a template letter, not addressing any of the arguments I raised. Again, this works in my favour.
Given all this, I think it's just empty scare tactics like you guys have been telling me.
I think what I should do now is:
- Reply, demanding that POPLA code
- Complain about them to the BPA
- Complain about them to the managing agent for my property
What do you guys think?
Note that I have finally found my lease. It's pretty long, but a quick look didn’t suggest that there's anything in it that gives a third party the right to charge me for not showing a permit, let alone the fact that I never agreed to it in writing. I'll look at it more fully and get back to you.FunnyMunny for the best munny laundering services around! Get your squeaky clean notes here0 -
I think what I should do now is:
- Reply, demanding that POPLA code
- Complain about them to the BPA
- Complain about them to the managing agent for my property
What do you guys think?
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