Bad Drivers

prowla

Mind you, I had a dope in a porker this evening - they came up to a roundabout in the left lane, not indicating, and I went into the right lane and indicated right to take the 3rd exit. Coming off the exit I wanted to take a left, and I realised that they were going round the roundabout on the inside of me. I guess they hadn't engaged brain, but they did give way.

stephen77

prowla wrote: »

I saw something like that just ahead of me whilst I was driving along the motorway yesterday - there was a woman who was joining the motorway and seemed to think that the car in the left lane was going to magically disappear or something; when he didn't she blasted her horn and started gesticulating at him. He had right of way and did nothing wrong.

I often see cars like this. Is there is space I will pull over. But if two cars on my shoulder its there responsibility to speed up or slow down to get in my lane.

Ultimately if you can not get into the lane you will have to stop ad wait.

doughnutmachine

artbaron wrote: »

I don't know what that means.



I think I got you with all my points, but the question I asked was, how do BMW know that a customer intends to break the law, as you stated. The answer is they don't. All cars have top speeds over 100mph so your argument becomes even more ridiculous because you believe that all car manufacturers should be prosecuted for selling cars that exceed the speed limit. This is beyond even the swivel eyed ramblings of Brake.

It was Esso that set the speed limit. For obvious reasons the oil industry is really big on safe working practices. If they think 70mph is a suitable speed limit I don't know why you think you know better.

I don't think car manufacturers should be sued for selling cars that can break the speed limit, but I do think the car manufacturers are partly responsible if someone crashes a car while going over the 70 mph speed limit.

If a boy racer buys a new BMW and he crashes the car and kills innocent people I think BMW should be sued. Just the same way that I would go to court if I lent an inexperienced person my shotgun and he accidentally shot someone.

MacMickster

Generally a bad driver is anyone who sees faults in the driving of everyone else around them, but none in their own.

Cars are driven by people. You and everyone else are fallible and make mistakes. You and everyone else are effected by tiredness, illness emotional problems. Some people are !!!!heads.

Drive in a way that you give yourself time and space to react to mistakes, whether by you or someone else.

There is only one good driver on the road - ME (but refer to my first paragraph).

stephen77

doughnutmachine wrote: »

If a boy racer buys a new BMW and he crashes the car and kills innocent people I think BMW should be sued. Just the same way that I would go to court if I lent an inexperienced person my shotgun and he accidentally shot someone.

What about second hand.

If I sell my shotgun to Farmer Giles OBE. Then he sells it on to a criminal who uses it.

Am I still responsible?

Replace gun with BMW.

Essentially every car manufacturer will be liable to be sued if your car goes faster than 70mph.

doughnutmachine

stephen77 wrote: »

Essentially every car manufacturer will be liable to be sued if your car goes faster than 70mph.

tbh, I cant think of any other consumer product where you can be 99.9% sure that the product will be used to break the law. imho if car manufacturers are sued for selling a product that breaks the law it serves them right. It's easy enough to fit speed limiters, they just don't want to.

Only a small proportion of knifes are misused, and there is no easy way to design knifes so they cant be used to hurt people. So I don't think knife manufacturers should be sued if their product is misused.

stephen77

there are few products out there that can be sold, but illegal to use.
E.g. tv transmitters etc.
Not just cars.

Its the driver choice to break the law and not the car.

Cars also kill people when drove with in the speed limit as well. THe government set the speed limit of 70mph.
Other countries have other speed limits to the UK. So if 70mph is that good of speed limit on the motorway why do other motorway abroad have different speed limits?

zagfles

I once had a hire car in Spain with a limiter which you could set (part of the cruise control feature but turn the knob the other way and it was a limiter). Was very useful for urban driving as you could set it at 50 and not worry about exceeding the speed limit.

zagfles

stephen77 wrote: »

there are few products out there that can be sold, but illegal to use.
E.g. tv transmitters etc.
Not just cars.

Its the driver choice to break the law and not the car.

Cars also kill people when drove with in the speed limit as well. THe government set the speed limit of 70mph.
Other countries have other speed limits to the UK. So if 70mph is that good of speed limit on the motorway why do other motorway abroad have different speed limits?

They're all pretty similar though, generally no more than 130kph, some countries as low as 100kph. Even Germany has a recommended 130kph limit and there's some rule along the lines that if you choose to exceed it and have an accident it'll be assumed to be your fault. Besides a lot of motorway in Germany does have compulsory limits, which change very frequently and the signs are tiny!

stephen77

zagfles wrote: »

They're all pretty similar though, generally no more than 130kph, some countries as low as 100kph. Even Germany has a recommended 130kph limit and there's some rule along the lines that if you choose to exceed it and have an accident it'll be assumed to be your fault. Besides a lot of motorway in Germany does have compulsory limits, which change very frequently and the signs are tiny!

Similar but not the same.
which means there is room for manuover in setting it a different speeds.
Note I did not say whether it should go faster or slower. But the premises of suing was based o BMW selling cars to go faster than 70mph.