Wetherspoons

System

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

And your point is??

Do you believe everything large companies tell people openly?

I believe that more than I believe your mate down the pub

Jamie_Carter

goater78 wrote: »

You are saying that this is true and the only source you have to back it up is an unnamed "mate" who is "claimed" to be a manager of weatherspoons.

All your posts have been to the affect that this is fact.

Its not

Unlike some people, I don't make posts based on myths, or assumptions.

I could name the manager, but they would probably get sacked, so I won't.

If you don't believe me, then that's up to you. It doesn't really bother me, as it isn't a big issue anyway.

But one thing you should consider is that just because you don't know about something, it doesn't mean it is wrong.

System

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Unlike some people, I don't make posts based on myths, or assumptions.

I could name the manager, but they would probably get sacked, so I won't.

If you don't believe me, then that's up to you. It doesn't really bother me, as it isn't a big issue anyway.

But one thing you should consider is that just because you don't know about something, it doesn't mean it is wrong.

Well thats me convinced....

Its an urban myth which means one of the following is true

1) There is no "mate"
2) The mate is lying to you
3) The mate has no idea and is just also sprouting the urban myth.

If this was true then one brewery would have said this was true. The fact is the spoons buy a massive amount of beer so make less margin on pints than other pubs but as volumes are so high they make money. As another post correctly stated its called "economies of scale".

Is food cheaper at tesco than my local corner shop because tesco sell short dated food?

The answer is of course no, they are just bigger so can negotiate better prices.

jacques_chirac

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Wetherspoons buy their drinks cheap because they are getting close to the sell by date. But due to the large quantities they sell, they know they can sell them before they go out of date. It's a sort of stock clearance centre for the drink manufacturers.

So it's a case of, if you want better quality you go elsewhere and pay much higher prices.

I have just asked a friend about this, he has been a manager at Wetherspoons for fifteen years. He has confirmed it is not true.

Jamie_Carter

goater78 wrote: »

I believe that more than I believe your mate down the pub

Who said they are a 'mate down the pub'?? I don't even drink at their pub, because it isn't local. They are a close friend, who just happen to manage a Wetherspoons.

It makes common sense. If you were a buyer for a large chain of pubs, and you can buy lets say 100 barrels of beer at full price, or you can buy them at half price because they go out of date in a month (but you can sell them in your pubs within 2 weeks). Then it would be a bit of a no brainer to not buy them. Especially when you can sell your beer cheaper than anyone else by doing this.

System

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Who said they are a 'mate down the pub'?? I don't even drink at their pub, because it isn't local. They are a close friend, who just happen to manage a Wetherspoons.

It makes common sense. If you were a buyer for a large chain of pubs, and you can buy lets say 100 barrels of beer at full price, or you can buy them at half price because they go out of date in a month (but you can sell them in your pubs within 2 weeks). Then it would be a bit of a no brainer to not buy them. Especially when you can sell your beer cheaper than anyone else by doing this.

it doesn't make sense because you are thinking small scale. They would not buy 100 barrels of beer. They have over 800 pubs. Each pub will probably go through say 10 barrels a day of something like carling. Therefore they are buying 10 X 800 365 days a year so they can negotiate discounts as its such a large amount of beer.

You seem to think there are thousands of barrels of beer that are short dated and available to weatherspoons. Its an obvious myth! The company couldnt survive if their whole business model was based on the hope they could buy short dated beer at a cheap price!

It amazes me you believe its true!

Jamie_Carter

goater78 wrote: »

Well thats me convinced....

Its an urban myth which means one of the following is true

1) There is no "mate"
2) The mate is lying to you
3) The mate has no idea and is just also sprouting the urban myth.

If this was true then one brewery would have said this was true. The fact is the spoons buy a massive amount of beer so make less margin on pints than other pubs but as volumes are so high they make money. As another post correctly stated its called "economies of scale".

And do you have proof of this??

goater78 wrote: »

Is food cheaper at tesco than my local corner shop because tesco sell short dated food?

The answer is of course no, they are just bigger so can negotiate better prices.

To start with Tescos isn't always cheaper than local shops. In fact it is often more expensive.

Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, and Asda, are all priced at quite similar prices. But one thing they all have in common is that they all sell food that is close to the sell by date, at a reduced price.


As for them selling cheaper because of the quantities they sell. If this were the case, then O'neils, Yates, Chicagos, and all the other big chains of pubs would also be able to sell at the same sort of prices as Wetherspoons, but they don't. So your theory is blown out of the water I'm afraid.

It's just simple economics, google it.

Jamie_Carter

goater78 wrote: »

it doesn't make sense because you are thinking small scale. They would not buy 100 barrels of beer. They have over 800 pubs. Each pub will probably go through say 10 barrels a day of something like carling. Therefore they are buying 10 X 800 365 days a year so they can negotiate discounts as its such a large amount of beer.

You seem to think there are thousands of barrels of beer that are short dated and available to weatherspoons. Its an obvious myth! The company couldnt survive if their whole business model was based on the hope they could buy short dated beer at a cheap price!

It amazes me you believe its true!

Are you being serious???

I was using 100 as an example. And I'm sure most people could work that out. :rotfl:


If you think you know so much about it, then why don't you tell us how much an average pub makes on a pint, sold at an average price??

Then apply simple economics.

System

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

And do you have proof of this??



To start with Tescos isn't always cheaper than local shops. In fact it is often more expensive.

Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, and Asda, are all priced at quite similar prices. But one thing they all have in common is that they all sell food that is close to the sell by date, at a reduced price.


As for them selling cheaper because of the quantities they sell. If this were the case, then O'neils, Yates, Chicagos, and all the other big chains of pubs would also be able to sell at the same sort of prices as Wetherspoons, but they don't. So your theory is blown out of the water I'm afraid.

It's just simple economics, google it.

Number of Yates = 72
Number of O'Neils = 49

Number of Weatherspoons = 880

Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument

System

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Are you being serious???

I was using 100 as an example. And I'm sure most people could work that out. :rotfl:


If you think you know so much about it, then why don't you tell us how much an average pub makes on a pint, sold at an average price??

Then apply simple economics.

The point was that 100 was too low a figure. A small pub chain would buy in that volume while someone like Weatherspoons would being buying thousands of barrels of beer. Therefore the price weatherspoons are charged will be less than the price a small chain will charged.

You don't seem to understand the basic principle that one company selling alot of one item can both source the product cheaper and charge cheaper than a company that sells the same product in much smaller quantities.

I am unsure whether you are being dense on purpose so we can continue the argument!