Wrongly reported (malicious?)

Jamie_Carter

portly1 wrote: »

Rubbish!!! we all know what it is about - annoyance and irritation.

No it's about reporting a crime, as opposed to making a malicious untrue allegation.

Poppie68

portly1 wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right!!

As I said before - playground mentality.

It's got nothing to do with playgrounds etc, it's to do with helping expose people who lie and steal from a pot that has shrunk sooooo small that there is now not enough money to provide help and services for genuine people in need...but you seem to think stealing this money is all fine and dandy..

Just think if benefit fraudsters were stopped 70 year old ladies might not have their claim for AA denied.

portly1

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Not quite true:

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http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/benefit-fraud-data.pdf

Fraud and error in the benefit system stands at £3.5bn or 2.1% of total benefit expenditure, latest figures from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) show.

Preliminary estimates for fraud and error in 2012/13 show £1.2bn of benefit spending is lost due to fraud, £1.6bn due to claimant error, and £0.7bn due to official error.

http://www.24dash.com/news/central_government/2013-05-09-dwp-benefit-fraud-and-error-cost-uk-3-5-billion-in-last-12-months


Fraud over the past 12 months amounts to 0.72% of total benefit expenditure. The rest - 1.38% is put down to error or mistakes.

I would imagine that any store that has a figure of .72% of total sales that is lost through pilfering and theft then they would hold a champagne party!

Yet benefit fraud is made out to be the largest scourge that society has to put up with today.

If the government can get their own house in order and reduce the losses due to error to below .72% then yes they will have a valid point.

portly1

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

But it isn't wrong to report someone who is committing a crime.

No it's not - it depends on the crime involved.

I would put pornography, child abuse, abuse of older people in care homes, as being in a higher category than benefit fraud. Yet, very few people bother to report these crimes. Generally they are detected many years down the line by accident or by the police investigating other more serious crimes and linking them.

portly1

Poppie68 wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with playgrounds etc, it's to do with helping expose people who lie and steal from a pot that has shrunk sooooo small that there is now not enough money to provide help and services for genuine people in need...but you seem to think stealing this money is all fine and dandy..

Just think if benefit fraudsters were stopped 70 year old ladies might not have their claim for AA denied.

Don't make me laugh - there is absolutely no connection with a failed AA claim and someone who may or may not be as disabled as they were adjudged to be by the DWP.

The government and the Daily Mail have done a good one on you.

So if you saw me take and eat a bag of crisps whilst I walked round Tescos then left without paying for the said bag of crisps, what would you do? Get hold of the manager and report the crime then wait for the police to come so that they could take your statement - or would you just not bother?

It's still theft!

And as I have said before, errors and mistakes account for nearly double the loss of monies when compared to actual fraud. The government should sort themselves out first before tackling small scale fraud.

Poppie68

portly1 wrote: »

No it's not - it depends on the crime involved.

I would put pornography, child abuse, abuse of older people in care homes, as being in a higher category than benefit fraud. Yet, very few people bother to report these crimes. Generally they are detected many years down the line by accident or by the police investigating other more serious crimes and linking them.

Is pornography illegal???
Child abuse gets reported as soon as it becomes possible. ie discovered by an adult or when the victim has become strong enough to report.
Abuse of older people in care homes, again when it is discovered it gets reported.

Dying to know what all the above has to do with benefit fraud..which is also a crime.

Poppie68

portly1 wrote: »

Don't make me laugh - there is absolutely no connection with a failed AA claim and someone who may or may not be as disabled as they were adjudged to be by the DWP.

The government and the Daily Mail have done a good one on you.

So if you saw me take and eat a bag of crisps whilst I walked round Tescos then left without paying for the said bag of crisps, what would you do? Get hold of the manager and report the crime then wait for the police to come so that they could take your statement - or would you just not bother?

It's still theft!

Never read the Daily Mail and don't get involve in politics, i just seem to have a better sense of right and wrong than you...

Oh by the way if i saw you stealing a bag of crisps in Tesco, chances are i would turn round and call you a thief while pointing you out to the security guard..

portly1

Poppie68 wrote: »

Is pornography illegal???
Child abuse gets reported as soon as it becomes possible. ie discovered by an adult or when the victim has become strong enough to report.
Abuse of older people in care homes, again when it is discovered it gets reported.

Dying to know what all the above has to do with benefit fraud..which is also a crime.

It's all to do with the seriousness of the offence.

Why is it acceptable to have four times as many reports per 100 offences reported for benefit fraud as it is for the number of child pornography, child abuse and abuse of older people in care homes added together? Maybe those offences aren't seen as serious as benefit fraud?

Hence why benefit fraud if and when I see it or find out about it, doesn't feature very high on my level of response. I would prefer to report much more serious offences that happen every day yet go unnoticed by most.

SandraScarlett

Poppie68 wrote: »

Just think if benefit fraudsters were stopped 70 year old ladies might not have their claim for AA denied.

But if their claim was accepted, it would just mean another Mulberry bag!

xx

Jamie_Carter

portly1 wrote: »

Fraud and error in the benefit system stands at £3.5bn or 2.1% of total benefit expenditure, latest figures from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) show.

Preliminary estimates for fraud and error in 2012/13 show £1.2bn of benefit spending is lost due to fraud, £1.6bn due to claimant error, and £0.7bn due to official error.

http://www.24dash.com/news/central_government/2013-05-09-dwp-benefit-fraud-and-error-cost-uk-3-5-billion-in-last-12-months


Fraud over the past 12 months amounts to 0.72% of total benefit expenditure. The rest - 1.38% is put down to error or mistakes.

I would imagine that any store that has a figure of .72% of total sales that is lost through pilfering and theft then they would hold a champagne party!

Yet benefit fraud is made out to be the largest scourge that society has to put up with today.

If the government can get their own house in order and reduce the losses due to error to below .72% then yes they will have a valid point.

Try reading the official version that I posted.

When we are undergoing cut backs to save £10,000 here, and £50,000 there, then £2bn per year is a huge scourge on society.

It sounds like you are trying to justify something.