Civil Service and criminal record...

BobQ

SandA wrote: »

What I am struggling with is finding any information with regards to their policy on criminal records.

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See my post above.

SandA

BobQ wrote: »

See my post above.

Hi,

I have seen your post. However as well as the basic security check, the vacancy also states I need to do a standard DBS check which I believe does include any cautions, reprimands etc. Although I may be wrong?

Savvy_Sue

SandA wrote: »

I will take along my driving licence, and another bill.

If you have a passport, I'd take that too. Showing your passport is the simplest way of proving that you have the right to work in the UK, and I would think at some point they would want to be clear that you do.

SandA

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

If you have a passport, I'd take that too. Showing your passport is the simplest way of proving that you have the right to work in the UK, and I would think at some point they would want to be clear that you do.

Dont have a passport unfortunately.

Would my driving card and paper be sufficient?

Savvy_Sue

SandA wrote: »

Dont have a passport unfortunately.

Would my driving card and paper be sufficient?

No, your driving licence is almost useless in this situation, since anyone can apply for a UK driving licence even if they have no right to work in the UK. It may help prove that you are who you say you are, no more.

If you have an expired passport which isn't too old (and it's a full UK passport) then take that, plus your birth certificate:

A full birth certificate issued in the United Kingdom which includes the name(s) of at least one of the holder’s parents, when produced in combination with
an official document giving the person’s National Insurance Number and their name issued by a Government agency or a previous employer.

That's from the UKBA site, so I hope it's current.

SandA

Oh god. I have neither of them.
national insurance card?

ValHaller

BobQ wrote: »

The Civil Service wrote this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200551/HMG_Baseline_Personnel_Security_Standard_V3_2_Apr-2013.pdf

Para 49 /50

49. Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not criminal convictions and are therefore not dealt with by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (although it is possible that formal cautions, which can only be entered on a criminal record on the basis that the individual signed a statement admitting guilt for the stated offence, are being issued for offences such as theft, assault and indecency). So, if individuals with cautions, reprimands or final warnings only are asked whether they have any „criminal convictions‟ or a „criminal record‟ (which is a less precise term but usually understood to mean convictions) they can answer „no‟. However, individuals who are specifically asked if they have cautions, reprimands or final warnings should disclose them until they are deleted from police records (usually 5 years if there are no convictions on the record).
Consideration of unspent convictions

That is out of date to some extent. Cautions are now spent as soon as they are given.

Savvy_Sue

SandA wrote: »

Oh god. I have neither of them.
national insurance card?

I don't think that's acceptable any more, because a NINO doesn't establish your right to work in the UK - almost anyone can get one issued, you don't AFAIK have to be legally entitled to work here.

I'd say you need to order a birth certificate pronto. Won't cost a lot as long as you use the official site which I think is here.

stix62

I've still got all my HMRC job app stuff on my PC and just came across this:-

CIVIL SERVICE
IDENTITY REQUIREMENTS

Guidance Updated – September 2012


CRIMINAL RECORDS CHECK
As part of our employment checks we will also require the following form(s) of identification documents which are part of our criminal records check.
At least three documents must be provided:

Route one:- From the list below if you can produce 1 document from Group 1 and any two from Groups 1 or 2 (one of which must verify your current address).

OR

Route two:- From the list below you must provide 3 documents, 1 document from Group 2a and 2 documents from Group 2a or 2b (one of which must verify your current address).

PLEASE NOTE: All documents brought as identification must be original documents. Any internet / scanned copies will not be accepted.


Group 1 – Primary Trusted Identity Credentials

• Current valid Passport.
• Biometric Residence Permit (UK).
• Current Driving Licence (UK) (Full or provisional) Isle of Man /Channel Islands;
Photo card only (a photo card is only valid if the individual presents it with the associated counterpart licence; except Jersey).
• Birth Certificate (UK and Channel Islands) - issued at the time of birth;
Full or short form acceptable including those issued by UK authorities overseas, such as Embassies, High Commissions and HM Forces. (Photocopies are not acceptable).


Group 2a – Trusted Government/State Issued Documents

Please note:
If a document in the List of Valid Identity Documents is:
• denoted with * - it should be less than three months old
• denoted with ** - it should be issued within the past 12 months
• not denoted – it can be more than 12 months old.



• Current UK Driving licence (old style paper version).
• Current Non-UK Photo Driving Licence (valid for up to 12 months from the date the applicant entered the UK).
• Birth Certificate (UK and Channel Islands) - (issued after the time of birth by the General Register Office/relevant authority i.e. Registrars – Photocopies are not acceptable).
• Marriage/Civil Partnership Certificate (UK and Channel Islands).
• Adoption Certificate (UK and Channel Islands).
• HM Forces ID Card (UK).
• Fire Arms Licence (UK and Channel Islands).
Group 2b – Financial/Social History Documents

Please note:
If a document in the List of Valid Identity Documents is:
• denoted with * - it should be less than three months old
• denoted with ** - it should be issued within the past 12 months
• not denoted – it can be more than 12 months old.



• Mortgage Statement (UK or EEA)** (Non-EEA statements must not be accepted).
• Bank/Building Society Statement (UK and Channel Islands or EEA)* (Non-EEA statements must not be accepted).
• Bank/Building Society Account Opening Confirmation Letter (UK).
• Credit Card Statement (UK or EEA)* (Non-EEA statements must not be accepted).
• Financial Statement ** - e.g. pension, endowment, ISA (UK).
• P45/P60 Statement **(UK & Channel Islands).
• Council Tax Statement (UK & Channel Islands). **
• Work Permit/Visa (UK) (UK Residence Permit) (valid up to expiry date). **`
• Letter of Sponsorship from future employment provider (Non-UK/Non-EEA only – valid only for applicants residing outside of the UK at time of application).
• Utility Bill (UK)* – Not Mobile Telephone.
• Benefit Statement* - e.g. Child Allowance, Pension.
• A document from Central/ Local Government/ Government Agency/ Local Authority giving entitlement (UK & Channel Islands)*- e.g. from the Department for Work and Pensions, the Employment Service , Customs & Revenue, Job Centre, Job Centre Plus, Social Security.
• EU National ID Card.
• Cards carrying the PASS accreditation logo (UK and Channel Islands).
• Letter from Head Teacher or College Principal (16/19 year olds in full time education – (only used in exceptional circumstances when all other documents have been exhausted) (UK).

edit: SandA .... I've tried answering your Pm twice now but MSE is telling me I've not sent any messages - did you get an answer?

Denning.

I find it alarming anyone can live in this country without a passport or birth certificate.