Civil Service and criminal record...

SandA

Argh now I am worried whether it was common assault I got reprimanded for or ABH. I no the latter is 'exempt' from the filtering! I did have a subject access but ive lost the damn thing.

TrickyWicky

iSlideOnItConstance wrote: »

I REPEAT, SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO DECLARE THIS INFORMATION. HER REPRIMAND HAS BEEN SPENT/FILTERED. HER DBS WILL BE CLEAR. Stop the scaremongering, please.

The CS isn't a normal employer. You are effectively a employee of the government directly and when I got in, had to sign an oath of loyalty to the crown (this was moons ago). They also made it clear at the time that you must declare spent convictions too.

Only last year did I destroy my copies of all the paperwork (which I obtained after leaving via the DPA). There was a copy of my original application amongst it.

@Denning:No chip, I'm simply speaking from experience. I saw one girl get the sack a week after starting. Lovely girl but they found out she'd lied about something in her application and they terminated her employment immediately for it.

My application was utter crap. My handwriting was all over the place, my qualifications weren't great, no work experience etc but I was honest about everything. At the interview I was asked a lot of very probing questions which were horrible but I was honest about everything again which was rather embarrassing to be honest. I still got in though - one of 3 out of 25 people interviewed.

SandA: Obviously you prefer to listen to the "don't worry about it" brigade rather than listen to someone who went through it all (you thanked the poster for the scaremongering comment) so I will say nothing more to you in this thread.

browneyedbazzi

If you declare the reprimand it will be considered and they'll take into account how long ago it was, your age, that you honestly declared it, that you haven't had further incidents and learned your lesson etc...with all that taken together it is extremely unlikely that the offence will stop you getting a job.

If they ask you if you have ever had a caution/reprimand/conviction and you fail to declare it that will count against you much more than the conviction itself would.

ValHaller

browneyedbazzi wrote: »

If they ask you if you have ever had a caution/reprimand/conviction and you fail to declare it that will count against you much more than the conviction itself would.

Only if the question is exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

SandA

I'll just declare it. I really can't remember if it was for common assault or ABH, I dont think it was the latter but I guess it isn't worth the risk. I have come along way since being a little rascal at school. I just hope a silly fight doesn't hold me back.

SandA

ValHaller wrote: »

Only if the question is exempt from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

Apparently ABH is.


I will just declare it and explain what had happened, what I have learned and hope for the best

Coraline

Does Civil Service include the NHS? When I got my job there they didn't ask anything. There was no application form nor were any of us who were hired even questioned.

SandA

It says on the job advert that the post requires a DBS check.


What I am struggling with is finding any information with regards to their policy on criminal records.

I have found that the dwp do not blanket ban people with criminal records, but judge on individual merits - however I can't find anything for the civil service.

Does anyone know?

TrickyWicky

SandA wrote: »

To the other poster, I did perceive your comment as slightly scaremongering. I no the civil service is essentially government but I really don't think they would go sneaking requesting every record of you for an administration job. I appreciate your opinion though

You've never worked for the civil service, you have no idea what they will do to check up on you. Again you're with the "hope it will go away brigade". I wasn't scaremongering you, I was simply telling you the truth. I knew a girl get sacked in her first week for not being truthful in the application process and yes, she was also in an administration job as an AO (which at the time had the same title as an LO2).

You don't think they'd go sneaking through records? Think again. You represent the state when you work for them and there is the possibility they may need to move you to another office temporarily (yes even for admin work) when an incident happens. They want people that they can completely trust. Yes they can and will go through whatever they need to including old records so that they can build a profile of who you are.

Being honest about it will do you far more favours than pretending it never happened. If you don't really care about the job then don't worry about it just keep stum. If they explicitly tell you that your incident doesn't need to be mentioned as it's spent then don't bother but again follow what THEY say in writing not what a bunch of strangers on a forum say.

One other thing (this may of changed since I was there) no news literally is good news. If you don't hear anything or get a letter saying you're unsuccessful, don't assume they don't want you (and certainly don't pester them on the phone). I had my interview and didn't hear a thing for 3 months but they HAD asked for a photo of me. 3 months later and I got a phone call asking if I could start a few weeks later.

Coraline wrote: »

Does Civil Service include the NHS? When I got my job there they didn't ask anything. There was no application form nor were any of us who were hired even questioned.

NHS is a subsidary of the Department for Health. If you worked for the DfH directly then yes that would make you a civil servant and this would actually be documented in your employment particulars where they will actually inform you that you carry the title of a civil servant. NHS is somewhat grey area. Although not a local authority (such as a council) it's also not part of the government - or at least they don't treat it as such. Check your employment records. It will tell you in there if you are considered a civil servant (if it doesn't then no you're not).

Akashearsy

I find it inconceivable that staff at NHS are not DBS checked although I know a few years ago they were lax as I found out an NH employee who joined us was DBS and an offence from 30 years ago came up how the NHS miised it I don't know I can only assume they didn't check but NOW in my area all NHS workers are DBS checked.

As for the original question if it is a basic DBS I don't think it comes up but if it is an Enhanced it will irrespective if it is spent or very old