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4 years no pay rise. what action can employees take?

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  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    There are 2.6 million union members in the private sector in the UK, which I reckon is over 4% of the whole UK population including children, unemployed, public sector workers etc. statistically speaking you are likely to know a private sector union member.
    No I doubt I do as all my friends and family are not in one and I know that.
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  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    No I didn't. Read my post again, carefully.
    What did you say then?

    You can not say union members get x y and z and not imply that non union members are getting less.

    You are in a union no doubt so what do you do for a living and what do you earn and what are your benefits?
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  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    No I doubt I do as all my friends and family are not in one and I know that.

    Fair enough but the fact is that around 11% of private sector employees are union members.
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    Fair enough but the fact is that around 11% of private sector employees are union members.
    I don't know any of them :)
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  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    What did you say then?

    You can not say union members get x y and z and not imply that non union members are getting less.

    You are in a union no doubt so what do you do for a living and what do you earn and what are your benefits?


    I was not referring to one workplace, rather to the workforce as a whole. It is a long established fact that employees in unionised workplaces earn more and have better benefits than in non-unionised workplaces.

    You are also twice as likely to have an accident at a workplace where there isn’t a union.
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »

    You are also twice as likely to have an accident at a workplace where there isn’t a union.

    LOL yeah by tripping over the carpet or your own feet
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  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    I was not referring to one workplace, rather to the workforce as a whole. It is a long established fact that employees in unionised workplaces earn more and have better benefits than in non-unionised workplaces.
    Isn't a 'unionised workplace' one company though?

    Tell us what yours are then and how much are you take home?
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  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    LOL yeah by tripping over the carpet or your own feet

    Yeah or burning to death in a hot industrial oven that you were sent in to clean by an employer who wasn't overly concerned with your safety at work. I LOL all the time at stories like that. Not.
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    Yeah or burning to death in a hot industrial oven that you were sent in to clean by an employer who wasn't overly concerned with your safety at work. I LOL all the time at stories like that. Not.
    I doubt that will happen to me at a desk. EVERYONE in the workplace has a responsibility for health and safety.
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  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    Isn't a 'unionised workplace' one company though?

    Tell us what yours are then and how much are you take home?

    Yes, but the benefits don't only apply to union members. Free riders can be a problem for unions because everyone can be disadvantaged by a few peoples' desire to save their subs.

    What I earn is irrelevant. The important thing is that I am convinced that I earn more than a comparable worker in a non-unionised workplace. I also have other benefits like flexi time which cost the employer nothing but make a massive difference to me.
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