4 years no pay rise. what action can employees take?

tir21

elmccw wrote: »

Actually minimum wage is not the problem.
It is the conditions that are applied to working
Zero hours contracts, no sick pay , no holidays, no stability.

If i had money I could start a decent union.

holiday pay does have to be paid on zero hours contacts

AP007

tir21 wrote: »

the hours are not as good though

Hours are not as good? Eh?

AP007

tir21 wrote: »

holiday pay does have to be paid on zero hours contacts

they were just giving a list of things not relating zero hours to holiday pay

Southend1

ILW wrote: »

Think you will find that spend per user hour has been virtually static.

Maybe I'm wrong on care sector then!

Perhaps if private providers weren't creaming off a nice profit there would be more money for service provision.

tir21

its alright - were all in this together

tir21

jacques_chirac wrote: »

Have you let them know you are interested in career progression, asked about opportunities for training and taking on more responsibility?

Who are 'we' - these colleagues you think are going to stand by you?

all of us in this forum

Do you have any specialist skills that make you irreplaceable? If not, there is no reason why the employer is going to see your kicking up a fuss as anything more than a hindrance.

there are many jobs that just need doing if this is to remain a civilised country. there are probably many millions of jobs that don't require specialist skills. if such people are never expected to receive a pay rise then we will produce a working under class if we are not careful.

there has got to be some incentive to do those millions of jobs that need doing. if there are never any pay rises at the bottom but only at the top, there there is going to be less and less incentive to work

and you will have to top up there wages with your taxes. surely you don't want to have to pay the working poor more because their employers freeze their pay- do you?

Southend1

tir21 wrote: »

all of us in this forum



there are many jobs that just need doing if this is to remain a civilised country. there are probably many millions of jobs that don't require specialist skills. if such people are never expected to receive a pay rise then we will produce a working under class if we are not careful.

there has got to be some incentive to do those millions of jobs that need doing. if there are never any pay rises at the bottom but only at the top, there there us going to be less and less incentive

or you will have to top up there wages weigh your taxes. surely you don't want to have to pay the working poor more because their employers freeze their pay- do you?

You make a good point here. The share of national income paid as wages is lower now than at any point post WW2. The gap between rich and poor is also ever widening.

Henry Ford realised a long time ago that in order to have a healthy economy and greatest benefit for all, you have to pay workers a decent wage so that they can afford to buy the products they are employed to make.

AP007

tir21 wrote: »

all of us in this forum

Lots of people in work vote with their feet and leave the job and get another.

Companies learn the hard way but don't like to be told.


It took 28 staff to leave in my head office in a team of 25 over 4 years for the company to sit up and offer more holiday

Southend1

AP007 wrote: »

Lots of people in work vote with their feet and leave the job and get another.

Companies learn the hard way but don't like to be told.


It took 28 staff to leave in my head office in a team of 25 over 4 years for the company to sit up and offer more holiday

And yet unions bore you!

tir21

AP007 wrote: »

they were just giving a list of things not relating zero hours to holiday pay

no they were saying zero hours contracts are crap because there is no holiday pay