Audi dealer query

TradePro

vaio wrote: »

Almost well busted, that thread was a german car but was a boxster that belongs to my kid brother

We'll never know this for sure, but my suspicion is that's it's less likely that an 18 month old Porsche would be bought privately, and almost all of them would have dealer history.

I don't mean to be rude, but I firmly believe the car in the thread was an Audi.

TradePro

CKhalvashi wrote: »

we've never had a problem with VAG stuff, and around 60 of our 400ish vehicle fleet is VAG, ranging from Polos as general office cars, to 18 Superbs and 6 Transporter Shuttles at taxis and Passats as management cars

This is my point CK, nobody ever has a problem with them...

I think that if you had 60 of anything, even a Japanese brand, at least one would display a fault of some kind -with VAG vehicles, it would be a certainty.

Perhaps they just haven't been reported back to you?

TradePro

motorguy wrote: »

after the deal was done and dusted the sales guy mentioned he was fitting mats and flaps to the car at no extra cost

There's something not quite right here either - mats maybe, but mudflaps are not popular any more (I remember the days when everyone opted for them, nowadays perhaps 1 in 50 buyers ask about them). I can't accept that he offered to throw them in for free without you asking, sorry, you must have mentioned earlier in discussions that you wanted them, and he's adapted the deal to accomodate.

Besides that anyway, no matter how good the deal was you could have bought a better car for less - that Golf has been around since 2004 (Mk5 to Mk6 was just a glorified 'facelift').

motorguy

TradePro wrote: »

I don't mean to be rude, but I firmly believe the car in the thread was an Audi.

Alternatively he could be telling the truth?

Vaio is a very well respected poster with nothing to prove by trying to 'win' an arguement on the internet.

motorguy

TradePro wrote: »

There's something not quite right here either - mats maybe, but mudflaps are not popular any more (I remember the days when everyone opted for them, nowadays perhaps 1 in 50 buyers ask about them). I can't accept that he offered to throw them in for free without you asking, sorry, you must have mentioned earlier in discussions that you wanted them, and he's adapted the deal to accomodate.

*honest*

The price was struck - i'd asked for a further £200 off (they were already the cheapest) but we'd met halfway at £100 after much pushing on my part. He then threw in the years road tax with the £100 - not laying a big egg there as its £30 for the year to tax, but still, saved me running about.

I truly never mentioned either mats or mud flaps and TBH i was going to avail of a set of fitted ones of ebay for about £15 when i got the car so i was happy not to push on it. I'm not the worlds biggest fan of mudflaps and i'd never mentioned them as its not something i planned to do so wasnt going to save me money anyway.

Genuinely never mentioned it at all, not spoke of as part of the deal, and he brought it up with me. They're proper fitted black mats (dont think they're genuine VW though) and the flaps front and rear are proper fitted flaps (cant say if they're genuine but they seem of high quality)

There was no 'adopting of the deal' as it was a straight sale, no trade in, so he couldnt even tweak the headline figures.

No idea why they did it other than he said they 'liked to leave the cars 'right''.

They're an independent group and dont tend to push like some of the large corporates.

I have to say, i was very impressed.

TradePro wrote: »

Besides that anyway, no matter how good the deal was you could have bought a better car for less - that Golf has been around since 2004 (Mk5 to Mk6 was just a glorified 'facelifted' Mk5

Maybe. I just fancied a Golf. And yes the Mk6 is a heavily revised Mk5. Doesnt mean its not a good car.

motorguy

TradePro wrote: »

You've used this point on the subject before Paul, but I can't agree with it's validity to be honest.

Yes. We know.

TradePro wrote: »

Is an A3 better to drive than a Focus? (I am aware that a Focus isn't a Toyota, I am merely questioning why people pay the extra for an unreliable Audi when there are cheaper, better cars out there).

I thought you were on the Jap side of the fence, so why are you quoting a Ford? Cant find an interesting Toyota?? :rotfl:

You seem obsessed with absolute reliability as being the TOP buying factor for most people. Several things

(a) it ISNT
(b) Jap cars arent all absolutely reliable anyway.

People like what they like. If someone wants to drive an Audi then so be it. Its not for us to judge them based on some reliability survey that says Toyotas are X% less likely to have a problem. Thats really not how people think.

motorguy

TradePro wrote: »

This is my point CK, nobody ever has a problem with them...

I think that if you had 60 of anything, even a Japanese brand, at least one would display a fault of some kind -with VAG vehicles, it would be a certainty.

Perhaps they just haven't been reported back to you?

Why would someone who is driving a fleet car not report a problem?

Or do you think that those individuals are sitting there thinking "hmmm - i cant let people know there are faults with my car as that would change perception of VAG cars, so i'll say nothing"

motorguy

Tradepro - you're coming across as hugely arrogant here.

You've accused at least four people of LYING on here, just because their views dont match your biased PERCEPTION of german cars?

Could it be that they're actually telling the truth and that maybe people dont care as much about winning an argument on the internet as you do?

jase1

Why are people comparing Audis with Toyotas anyway?

Audis are posh VWs. Lexuses are posh Toyotas -- so either compare Toyotas with VWs, or Lexuses with Audis.

Regarding VW vs Toyota, I have driven both the Auris and the Golf, and frankly there isn't a gnat's hair's breadth between them. Both are very ordinary, tin box shopping carts. Very little to recommend about either of them, or the Focus for that matter.

gilbert_and_sullivan

jase1 wrote: »

Regarding VW vs Toyota, I have driven both the Auris and the Golf, and frankly there isn't a gnat's hair's breadth between them. Both are very ordinary, tin box shopping carts. Very little to recommend about either of them, or the Focus for that matter.

And that goes for 90% of the cloned mass produced cars on sale today, its only when you start getting something a little different, either because of its outstanding performance or driveability or silky smooth transmission and comfort all combined that things become a little more interesting.

Far too often buying a faster model means having to accept overpriced stretched elastic band tyres on silly wheels and concrete springs which takes almost all normal driving pleasures away when your fillings get shaken loose over a cats eye.

Buying an economical model often means getting some ridiculously complicated variant with ongoing reliability issues, and if you want an auto only having the choice of some automated manual hell box regardless of how many clutches it boasts often means it'll be a dog to manoeuver or in traffic and will fail expensively after the minimal warranty expires.

Now more than ever the badge means very little, other than the price premium the car carries disproportionate warranty period and a fair guide to the arrogance of the dealers.