Prayers

shaz77_2

Dunroamin wrote: »

How can you possibly separate the two?

I just wanted to hear of people's experiences of prayers rather than having a full blown debate about God.

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No.

I don't pray. They fall in the same category as wishes to me.

I don't believe in any form of deity.

There you go

HBS x

heman2012

The_Hurricane wrote: »

I'd be interested in hearing some people's actual results of prayer.

I have many but one was for a friend who had leukemia, he made a full and complete recovery but this was the result of praying for one full year.

Yep, it was the praying that did it!

The_Hurricane

heman2012 wrote: »

Yep, it was the praying that did it!

That was only one example, I could give many more.

Delree

The_Hurricane wrote: »

Is that a biblical reference?

Sort of, I'm referring to Abraham and Isaac. Voices in your head are not god, it's a mental problem and whoever thinks they're hearing the voice of god in their head should seek help before they either harm themselves or possibly others.

*max*

shaz77 wrote: »

I just wanted to hear of people's experiences of prayers rather than having a full blown debate about God.

Well then you basically want answers only from people who believe in God - after all, why else would they pray?

Basically, there are 2 options: either the thing they prayed for happened, or it didn't. I can't see what other "experience" of prayers there can be....

Since they believe in god, they will put the thing happening or not down to god answering their prayer - or not.

Really, I may be thick, but I can't see what else you can possibly debate about it.

If you want to know "do prayers work?", you're in for a huge disappointment. How could anyone possibly know?

Delree

Torry_Quine wrote: »

God can and does work through the skill of medical professionals as well as what would more be seen as miraculous.

I don't get it. If god bestows the medical knowledge and prowess on the professionals (I guess so called professionals because all they're really doing is piggybacking on a higher power's grace) then how come he's only just started to do it?

I mean it wasn't many hundreds of years ago when women frequently died in childbirth, where was god's knowledge then?

Syphalis was a death sentence, where were all god's medically bestowed professionals then?

Did god only just realise in the 18 hundreds that he had a load of knowledge down the back of the sofa that could he implant into people to go around and save other people?

The_Hurricane

Delree wrote: »

Sort of, I'm referring to Abraham and Isaac. Voices in your head are not god, it's a mental problem and whoever thinks they're hearing the voice of god in their head should seek help before they either harm themselves or possibly others.

I think that was a test of faith and trust.

Don't get me wrong there are many times when I doubt too, as for voices I'm not sure as I never hear any.

Out of interest have you ever prayed?

shaz77_2

*max* wrote: »

Well then you basically want answers only from people who believe in God - after all, why else would they pray?

Basically, there are 2 options: either the thing they prayed for happened, or it didn't. I can't see what other "experience" of prayers there can be....

Since they believe in god, they will put the thing happening or not down to god answering their prayer - or not.

Really, I may be thick, but I can't see what else you can possibly debate about it.

If you want to know "do prayers work?", you're in for a huge disappointment. How could anyone possibly know?

Well if you feel it's productive expanding the conversation then yes but I really want to hear from people who have actually prayed.

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The_Hurricane wrote: »

But that's just your belief.

No, it's the truth. Also it's rather dismissive of the people who have studied and practiced long years, often at varying personal expense, to credit their successes to a non-proven deity.

HBS x