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Need to go and prepare tea but i'll leave you with a quick link about Job and his 20 children.

http://home.earthlink.net/~thogmi/job/job.html

The_Hurricane

Fosterdog wrote: »

Really? Then please explain these passages from the bible

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

The above are just a select few, there are many more along the same lines.

Doesn't sound very anti-slavery to me, it sounds more like slavery is encouraged and the punishment and beating of those slaves even more. Please please please show how the bible is anti-slavery in any way at all.

I also never understood why any woman would be religious because based on the bible they are the scum of the earth and are as bad as if not worse than slaves.

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Moses.. ...

shaz77_2

Judi wrote: »

The point is God gave him twice what he had before.

God only promises to grant our prayers when we ask according to His will.

1 John 5:14-15

And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

Sometimes God answers “no” or “wait.” God only promises to grant our prayers when we ask according to His will.

How can asking for love be out of God's plans? This is where my faith is struggling.

Fosterdog

The_Hurricane wrote: »

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Moses.. ...

But moses and "his people" weren't saved because they were slaves they were saved because they were the "chosen people". Moses himself was a murderer but that was forgiven because he was chosen whereas others guilty of the same crime spend an eternity in hell.

That really isn't anti-slavery but pro israelite.

Person_one

You can use the bible to support or contradict pretty much every position or idea you can think of. That's the beauty of it.

The_Hurricane

Fosterdog wrote: »

But moses and "his people" weren't saved because they were slaves they were saved because they were the "chosen people". Moses himself was a murderer but that was forgiven because he was chosen whereas others guilty of the same crime spend an eternity in hell.

That really isn't anti-slavery but pro israelite.

I'm probably not best qualified to answer but the OT differs greatly from the NT for example another poster mentioned that the Bible talks about death to those who work on the Sabbath but Jesus in the book of John was faced with the same charge for healing on the Sabbath.

seven-day-weekend

shaz77 wrote: »

How can asking for love be out of God's plans? This is where my faith is struggling.

I don't have any other answers for you other than keep praying. Maybe it is not God's will for you at this time because there are other things for you to do. Maybe it will happen when you least expect it. Maybe God will guide you along a different path (not having a partner does not mean not having love).


I wish you well for the future.

seven-day-weekend

The_Hurricane wrote: »

I'm probably not best qualified to answer but the OT differs greatly from the NT for example another poster mentioned that the Bible talks about death to those who work on the Sabbath but Jesus in the book of John was faced with the same charge for healing on the Sabbath.

Jesus only gave us two Commandments, which he said encompassed all the other laws. He also said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Christians do not have to obey all the OT laws. We have to do our best to follow Jesus.




Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”




Mark 2:23-27 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath

23 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”

27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

heartbreak_star

To quote a well-known movie:

"There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

No amount of praying, wishing, or hoping for something will make it happen unless you get up, take control and have some input.

HBS x

Dunroamin

heartbreak_star wrote: »

To quote a well-known movie:

"There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

No amount of praying, wishing, or hoping for something will make it happen unless you get up, take control and have some input.

HBS x

In other words, "Heaven helps those who help themselves".