Neighbours from Hell

poet123

aliasojo wrote: »

Well we shall have to agree to disagree on the parents. Not many parents with the responsibility of caring for a child so disabled would happily entertain drinking to the amount of falling down drunk. I think it illustrates 'type' if you like. (Yes I appreciate I'm judging here.)

Although I do agree with your take on the OP.

I fully agree with your comments, but if you agree with my take on the OP it could be that the actions have been a tad exaggerated.

I just don't think that we can write the parents off as JK material on the basis of the OP.;)

Nicki

Neither parent fell down drunk alias. ONE parent was in the garden drinking with a friend and it was the friend who was falling down drink not either parent.

My initial take on what happened was that Dad and his friend were in the garden chatting and having a beer in the early part of the evening and OP leaned over her balcony and told them to be quiet. The friend swore at her because they weren't behaving unreasonably in their own garden and she was being a busybody. They then carried on drinking outside and friend had too much to drink. It would be interesting to know what time the events happened though in terms of judging whether Op was reasonable to kick up a fuss about the noise of just 2 people making presumably perfectly "human" sounds at the time she did.

aliasojo

Nicki wrote: »

Neither parent fell down drunk alias.

I know. I never said they did.

I said 'entertaining drinking.........etc'

**professor~yaffle**

shegirl wrote: »

No.All she cares about is having them booted out.

..which is understandable, given the circumstances.

Nicki wrote: »

The Equalities Act makes quite clear that someone cannot be evicted from their home for reasons connected to their disability. So the OP has no legal remedy here.

Absolutely. The family in the flat below has the OP over a barrel, don't they.

She can't complain about the noise because she'll be accused of picking on a disabled child. The authorities are treading on eggshells for much the same reason, so she'll get no help there.

OP can't stay in her flat because of the noise and the unpleasantness of the people in the flat below. Nor can she sell up (and tbh why should she have to sell her flat, it's hers, she bought it, the people who are causing her grief are social tenants by the sound of it).

I go back to my suggestion that she tries to soundproof her flat as best she can and just hope and pray they move out. As another poster said, perhaps they need a bigger flat

Nicki

It's no wonder parents of disabled children end up so socially isolated when they apparently have to choose friends who have no flaws of any kind and who behave 100% impeccably even when the children are not even present! Lambasting the parents for their own behaviour is one thing but holding them accountable for their friends lapses too...

moneyistooshorttomention

Nicki wrote: »

It's a one bedroom flat not a studio flat. Lots and lots of families with not a lot of money and young children live in them, often with parents on a sofa bed in the living room and the child on the bedroom. If you think that's "odd" in some sinister sounding way, you've clearly led a very privileged life.

Errrm....I've got to 60 and am now racking my brains and have only been able to think of one household I have ever come across where a child above baby age shared the parents bedroom. Back over 30 years ago (when I was living in private rented sector) there were a couple that had a child a few years old sharing their bedroom with them. I remember being totally astonished when I realised this. I don't think the situation went on that long, as they got rehoused by the Council to a Council place (presumably with at least 2 bedrooms).

I certainly haven't lived a privileged life. I wish! Just a pretty ordinary little "life". So...yep...there are indeed many of us who will have rarely, if ever, encountered this and won't quite understand why its happening if we do.

poet123

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Errrm....I've got to 60 and am now racking my brains and have only been able to think of one household I have ever come across where a child above baby age shared the parents bedroom. Back over 30 years ago (when I was living in private rented sector) there were a couple that had a child a few years old sharing their bedroom with them. I remember being totally astonished when I realised this. I don't think the situation went on that long, as they got rehoused by the Council to a Council place (presumably with at least 2 bedrooms).

I certainly haven't lived a privileged life. I wish! Just a pretty ordinary little "life". So...yep...there are indeed many of us who will have rarely, if ever, encountered this and won't quite understand why its happening if we do.

I have lived a privileged life (when compared with some of the sad stores I read about on here and elsewhere) and I personally have never come across that situation, but I have read about it, seen it on the TV, and can also quite easily understand why it could happen.

I would guess your own username may be a starting point.;)

Nicki

**professor~yaffle** wrote: »

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I go back to my suggestion that she tries to soundproof her flat as best she can and just hope and pray they move out. As another poster said, perhaps they need a bigger flat

How would a bigger flat change things? There is no suggestion anywhere on the thread that the child's noise is in any way related to the size of the chat. The child is making involuntary reflexive noises probably grunts, squeals and shrieks not throwing a tantrum. He may have cerebral palsy or a seizure disorder or hearing impaired or have a learning and developmental disorder such as severe autism.

I guess if they were in a flat the size of William and Kate's in KP maybe the neighbours wouldn't hear a peep, but in any normal flat or terraced house there will inevitably be some noise seepage and as the parents are renting there is absolutely nothing THEY can do about that. OP who owns however could soundproof her own flat but doesn't see why she should.

poet123

eskimo26 wrote: »

OP its time to be selfish.

You know what you have to do. The second they let some drunken chav friend tell me to f-off i would have unleashed the gates of hell on them.

Report late night parties, drugs, loud music and tv, rowing, shouting at the child [contact social services] whatever would get them out. Wh is to say they aren't hurting the child if its screaming? How often does this happen and what are the circumstances?

Make sure there is some cohesion to your complaints though.

Sorry if that rubs some people up the wrong way.

As the OP hasn't mentioned the parents doing any of these things am I right in believing you are advocating her to lie?

Lie about issues which could lead to the child being removed? Lie about issues which could lead to police intervention.

Have I really read you correctly?

moneyistooshorttomention

Nicki wrote: »

How would a bigger flat change things? There is no suggestion anywhere on the thread that the child's noise is in any way related to the size of the chat. The child is making involuntary reflexive noises probably grunts, squeals and shrieks not throwing a tantrum. He may have cerebral palsy or a seizure disorder or hearing impaired or have a learning and developmental disorder such as severe autism.

I guess if they were in a flat the size of William and Kate's in KP maybe the neighbours wouldn't hear a peep, but in any normal flat or terraced house there will inevitably be some noise seepage and as the parents are renting there is absolutely nothing THEY can do about that. OP who owns however could soundproof her own flat but doesn't see why she should.

I don't see why she should. She isn't the source of the noise. The neighbours are and therefore its THEIR responsibility to do the noise insulation.

It doesn't matter what the cause of the noise is that that household is making. The onus is on them to solve the problem.

Some while back, whilst living in a rented flat, I had next door neighbours that liked playing loud music. I was only ever aware of literally once in the 7 years I lived there. This was because they had accepted their responsibility for dealing with their own circumstances and had thoroughly insulated the adjoining wall.