How to get rid of illegal parkers in communal areas of flats?

gfplux

Hello Liminated,
From your later post it appears that the managing association is run by a committee of owners.
If the residents/owners association is useless why not change it from within by getting on the committee/board.
In my experience any one wanting to share that burden is most welcome.

luminated

gfplux wrote: »

Hello Liminated,
From your later post it appears that the managing association is run by a committee of owners.
If the residents/owners association is useless why not change it from within by getting on the committee/board.
In my experience any one wanting to share that burden is most welcome.

My health is very very poor if you were to read my posts mainly in Disability & Dosh you would see. Apart from legs that aren't working (wheelchair bound) I have cardio, neurological & other serious conditions otherwise I would as I have in the past. I daren't induce any more stress into my life.

The culprits are ........ how should I say ........ rough ...... so unless I was fit 6'6" tall, 20 stone of muscle with the rest of a rugby team at close hand I would not fare well in any argument ...... unless I used a machine gun :j which I would be happy to do if I wasn't breaking the law .......:T

tim123456789

propertyman wrote: »

The solution was as it has always been

" If its not your property car park or a public street, don't park there".

Magically this leads to you not being clamped.

The difficulty with civil remedies is that the cost awards are vastly less than the costs of taking that action, while the inconvience to residents is often immeasureable.

but clampers were TTP.

The vast majority were not policing genuine parking problems, they were riding roughshod over the law to extract money with menaces from people who had done nothing wrong.

tim

tim123456789

luminated wrote: »

My health is very very poor if you were to read my posts mainly in Disability & Dosh you would see. Apart from legs that aren't working (wheelchair bound) I have cardio, neurological & other serious conditions otherwise I would as I have in the past. I daren't induce any more stress into my life.

The culprits are ........ how should I say ........ rough ...... so unless I was fit 6'6" tall, 20 stone of muscle with the rest of a rugby team at close hand I would not fare well in any argument ...... unless I used a machine gun :j which I would be happy to do if I wasn't breaking the law .......:T

ITYF he meant volunteer for helping on the committee so that you can press the point of the need for a bollard

tim

System

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Laminate cards. One for each resident, which is a temp parking ticket.
All residents get a key for bollard.
Any resident can lock a car in using the bollard, but should put a warning sticker under the window, telling them to contact the person they have been visiting, for the release key.
If a car parks with no permit, for longer than 15 mins, the bollard goes up. There should be a phone number to ring for release if the resident they were visiting seems to have gone out.

funscott wrote: »

if they are taking up reserved spaces. the person whos space it is should park their car as normal. right in front of the offending car so it cant get out.

Both ideas fall foul of Sect 54 of POFA and are criminal offences and liable to a fine up to £5000 on summary conviction.

Taiko

N1AK wrote: »

I wouldn't suggest it however I think it is incorrect to claim it is illegal. The car park is private owned so parking behind another car isn't obstructing a public highway. Potentially refusing to move to let them out could be criminal.

Would you care to explain what law you're saying they would be breaking?

Certainly. It's the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Paragraph 54(1).

54Offence of immobilising etc. vehicles

(1)A person commits an offence who, without lawful authority—
(a)immobilises a motor vehicle by the attachment to the vehicle, or a part of it, of an immobilising device, or
(b)moves, or restricts the movement of, such a vehicle by any means,intending to prevent or inhibit the removal of the vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it.

Someone parking across it would therefore be breaking the law.

cgk1

tim123456789 wrote: »

What little case law that exists does show that they are enforceable.

However, commercial parking companies doesn't actually take enforcement action, not because they wouldn't win, but because it costs them more in staff time preparing their case than they would win back in compensation. It's better business for them to write off the awkward customers and spend the time writing more tickets (some of which will be paid).

But a resident's association trying to frighten away rogue parkers does not have this business consideration. Their time is nominally free and the reward that they are seeking is availability of parking spaces, not monetary compensation.

tim

Then you'd be !!!! out of luck as the financial loss you could claim for would be.... nothing but if you just mean put up the signs and do nothing - worth a try.

Cornucopia

As I mentioned before, the laws of civil trespass still apply. There is no point looking for "guerrilla solutions" - the law already has a perfectly good remedy.

fionajbanana

I think the lockable bollard on each parking bay is going to be the best bet.

The health visitor to the elderly biddy will just put on their warning lights whilst getting the key which ideally be placed somewhere near the front door.

Also I bet not all 50 odd flats have a car so put a bollard on those as well.

luminated

tim123456789 wrote: »

ITYF he meant volunteer for helping on the committee so that you can press the point of the need for a bollard

tim

As in my post no. 50 my state of health is extremely poor & my sensible side (coupled with my wife & family) tell me NOT to get involved in any way at all. I guess my problem is that I have always been a doer & it is very hard to sit back & do nothing. But doing could be enough to really b*gger me (even kill me) as the official committee members are a bunch of plonkers all owners (some more than one place) who don't live on site. So my effectiveness is greatly reduced which is very frustrating.