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Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Is it this?

Is that really a Nazi salute though?

Not sure how it's a plant pot either, but if it's supposed to be a Nazi salute theres a couple of basic, but fundamental errors.

Firstly it's the wrong arm....and it's not like theres a big choice of arms to confuse someone. The Nazi salute is carried out with the left arm.

Secondly, it's not raised above the head.

Third, a Nazi salute includes raising the chin.

The only real similarity to a nazi salute is that he has his arm out. Something which I'd suggest we all day every day. I'm not really sure that we can claim that because he has his arm out it's a nazi salute.

I could be snapped like....just have to reach out to grab the camera, snap, caught. Not saying it is this or giving excuses, but surely raising just the correct arm would have been a start if a Nazi salute is what was trying to be achieved?

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Is that really a Nazi salute though?

Pretty doubtful in my opinion. Despite posters throughout this thread trying to claim otherwise. That, however has more to do with an inability to accept their mistakes than anything else.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not sure how it's a plant pot either,

That particular photo isn't him imitating a pot plant. It's him reaching across the pub to grab his girlfriend's camera phone. There are other photos which clearly indicate it was just youngsters screwing around for example;

http://politicalscrapbook.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/alex-wood-plant-ukip.jpg

Graham_Devon wrote: »

but if it's supposed to be a Nazi salute theres a couple of basic, but fundamental errors.

Firstly it's the wrong arm....and it's not like theres a big choice of arms to confuse someone. The Nazi salute is carried out with the left arm.

Yup - and a fascist would know how to do the salute correctly wouldn't he......

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Secondly, it's not raised above the head.

Third, a Nazi salute includes raising the chin.

These two are very good points. You don't Nazi salute by holding your arm out horizontally. Try it chewmylegoff and you will see. Nazi salute is above head. Arm out horizontally is imitating superman....

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The only real similarity to a nazi salute is that he has his arm out. Something which I'd suggest we all day every day. I'm not really sure that we can claim that because he has his arm out it's a nazi salute.

I could be snapped like....just have to reach out to grab the camera, snap, caught. Not saying it is this or giving excuses, but surely raising just the correct arm would have been a start if a Nazi salute is what was trying to be achieved?

Exactly right. In addition, Facebook confirmed to UKIP that Alex Wood's account had been "fiddled with" as Farage puts it. Hackers have targeted UKIP candidates and tried to find anything they could to smear UKIP. In this instance, they found a photo of Alex Wood with nothing more than his arm outstretched. They tried to pass this off as a Nazi salute, and to add fuel to the fire they fabricated some racist comments. This has been confirmed by the Police which is why I have pointed it out numerous times throughout this thread, though certain posters would rather ignore the facts.

Graham_Devon

Sampong wrote: »

That particular photo isn't him imitating a pot plant. It's him reaching across the pub to grab his girlfriend's camera phone. There are other photos which clearly indicate it was just youngsters screwing around for example;

Well that makes sense then. I said it looked like that in my post, as...well, thats what it looks like.

Not trying to back someone up, but that genuinely doesn't look like a nazi salute. I fail to see how anyone thinks it does considering it's missing everything that makes up a Nazi salute, bar the fact a guy has his arm reaching out across a table.

Pretty clear why the police didn't do anything. How did it even get that far?!

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well that makes sense then. I said it looked like that in my post, as...well, thats what it looks like.

Not trying to back someone up, but that genuinely doesn't look like a nazi salute. I fail to see how anyone thinks it does considering it's missing everything that makes up a Nazi salute, bar the fact a guy has his arm reaching out across a table.

Pretty clear why the police didn't do anything. How did it even get that far?!

Because the smear campaigners make sure to inform the Police also - anonymously of course so that they won't face repercussions for wasting Police time.

I personally know my local candidates and they have all been the victims of similar. They have all been cleared by UKIP with no case to answer, but all were the subject of Police investigations.

These are all normal, genuine people hoping to make a difference. The smear tactics demonstrate the lengths the dirty political parties will go to in their attempts to discredit UKIP.

In my opinion people should start to question why, rather than attempting to smear UKIP the "other" parties aren't examining their own policies more closely to discover why they are losing voters to UKIP.

Instead, they encourage their spin off organisations to engage in threatening behavior, which is why I think we should start enforcing our laws which are supposed to protect democracy.

For example there is a discussion here;
http://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/2793/elections-4th-july-2013

The reason that there is no UKIP candidate in the Llansamlet election is because the intended candidate pulled out the day before nominations closed after claiming that after his wife mentioned in work (a university library I'm told) that her husband was thinking of standing for UKIP.

She claims that she was visited by the workplace Unison rep who advised her that it would be the end of her career enhancement prospects if he stood.

Unison being connected to the Labour party and a major funder of "Hope not hate".

If that story is true, then the UNISON rep in question should be prosecuted as unduly influencing an election (or intention of the same) is an offence under S115 of the Representation of the People Act 1983 and is punishable by up to a year imprisonment.

I think Farage did exactly the right thing in keeping Alex Wood in the party, so as not to pander to the smear tactics and threats. He could have very easily expelled him just to get rid of the "problem".

I'm glad to see though that generally UKIP voters, supporters, and candidates stick two fingers up to those who abuse and threaten them.

Speaking of threats, I had one made against me in this very thread, albeit a ridiculous one - here; http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=62285495&postcount=13

Certainly sounds like a threat to me. Perhaps the poster should consider that I have dragged bigger fish than him through the courts and that anytime you wish to proceed - i'm ready.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

In my opinion people should start to question why, rather than attempting to smear UKIP the "other" parties aren't examining their own policies more closely to discover why they are losing voters to UKIP..

I suspect this might have something to do with it.....;)

One in three Brits 'admits to being racist', according to poll

-Third admitted making comments or being involved in discussions which could be considered racist

-Almost 40 per cent confessed to using the phrase ‘I’m not a racist, but...' when discussing race issues

-Anti-racism group said the poll was 'disappointing'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2151056/Is-Britain-racist-nation-One-Brits-admits-racist-according-poll.html#ixzz2YOoSzEm7

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

OK, fun and games aside....

Sampong a question for you.

Why do you not just admit that a party whose policies happen to be those that appeal to racists (as well as some non-racist isolationists) will attract more than it's fair share of racists?

Nobody is saying that every member of UKIP is racist, clearly that is not the case, however it is only natural that racists will flock to a party where the policies align with those policies racists want to see implemented.

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

You would be a lot more credible if you'd just admit UKIP has a serious problem with attracting racists and bigots, even if you then went on to claim it was trying to deal with it.

But as it stands, this blind defence of UKIP in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just makes you look foolish.

rabbit_burrow

It definitely looks like he's reaching for something. I always reach for something with my fingertips pointing straight forwards together and my thumb turned in. I prefer to do it that way instead of the natural human instinct of reaching out with fingers apart and slightly bent and thumb outstretched ready to grab it. It's far more interesting to go against all natural body language behaviours.:p

rabbit_burrow

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Is that really a Nazi salute though?

Not sure how it's a plant pot either, but if it's supposed to be a Nazi salute theres a couple of basic, but fundamental errors.

Firstly it's the wrong arm....and it's not like theres a big choice of arms to confuse someone. The Nazi salute is carried out with the left arm. the photo could've been flipped, it's a pretty easy thing to do

Secondly, it's not raised above the head. The shutter speed of the camera/phone may not be fast enough to have picked it up, it may have snapped just after the button was pressed

Third, a Nazi salute includes raising the chin. I have seen pics of Hitler himself not raising his chin, alongside with his ss

The only real similarity to a nazi salute is that he has his arm out. Something which I'd suggest we all day every day. I'm not really sure that we can claim that because he has his arm out it's a nazi salute.

I could be snapped like....just have to reach out to grab the camera, snap, caught. Not saying it is this or giving excuses, but surely raising just the correct arm would have been a start if a Nazi salute is what was trying to be achieved?

I personally follow the usual human characteristics when reaching out, you wouldn't find me curling my thumb in or keeping my fingers tightly together, but each to their own.

Mr._Pricklepants

burnleymik

I think if Farage can weed out those BNP nutjobs who have slipped through the net and into UKIP membership, then they would be a very credible party to vote for IMO.

I agree with much of what he says and much of it is common sense. That said, all these politicians just tell us what we want to hear and usually either do nothing or just the opposite of what they pledge.

I think it's about time that the manifesto's are forcibly upheld by any party coming into power.

Sorry for derailing the arguments