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chewmylegoff

I have no idea what was alleged to be on his Facebook account in the first place and I really couldn't care less. I find it quite odd that the police commented on the matter at all as they wouldn't normally make public statements of that kind but frankly it is all irrelevant as to whether or no that is a picture of a man doing a nazi salute or not.

Sampong

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I have no idea what was alleged to be on his Facebook account in the first place and I really couldn't care less. I find it quite odd that the police commented on the matter at all as they wouldn't normally make public statements of that kind but frankly it is all irrelevant as to whether or no that is a picture of a man doing a nazi salute or not.

Oh I see. So when you think there is still a chance that you can salvage the credibility of your previous comments, you are inclined to comment and give it a whirl, but when the evidence is unquestionable, you couldn't care less.

Nice get out.

I know you couldn't care less, but alleged screenshots of Alex Wood's facebook account appeared online, showing comments which said;

Africans live in mud huts

But it turns out, that after a Police investigation, it transpires that the comments didn't appear on his facebook account after all;

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/13/alex-wood-ukip-nazi-cleared_n_3434402.html

It's obviously up to you whether you "care less" or not. I on the other hand can see a problem in British politics when you have groups of people connected to the major political parties who deliberately set out to discredit and ruin people. I also have a problem with this because it is undemocratic and an infringement upon the right of free speech.

chewmylegoff

Bit rich of you to try to claim I have no credibility when you are aggressively defending someone for doing a nazi salute whose defence is that he was impersonating a pot plant! You could have just said that he was obviously a bit of a knob and an embarrassment to UKIP - had you done so you might have preserved some of your own credibility. Instead by stubbornly defending the indefensible you are making yourself look a bit silly. You can claim that black is white and go on abot his facebook page as much as you like but there is still a picture of him doing a nazi salute...

Sampong

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Bit rich of you to try to claim I have no credibility when you are aggressively defending someone for doing a nazi salute whose defence is that he was impersonating a pot plant! You could have just said that he was obviously a bit of a knob and an embarrassment to UKIP - had you done so you might have preserved some of your own credibility. Instead by stubbornly defending the indefensible you are making yourself look a bit silly. You can claim that black is white and go on abot his facebook page as much as you like but there is still a picture of him doing a nazi salute...

I'm not claiming Black is white, I stated fact.

The fact being, he has been cleared of racism allegations by both the party and the Police.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but it looks increasingly unlikely that he was doing a Nazi salute. Nobody of course can say 100% sure either way but before you start harping on about credibility remember that i'm not the one who posted these smear stories without first making sure they were actually true.

chewmylegoff

It only looks increasingly unlikely if you ignore the photograph of him actually doing a nazi salute and choose to believe one of the most ludicrous excuses ever given since little johnny told his teacher that a dog had eaten his homework.

There are only two possible explanations for your position:

1) You know he was doing a nazi salute and you don't care - this seems unlikely.

2) You are wilfully blind to the fact that he was doing a nazi salute for some reason. It is after all common for politicians and their fanatical supporters to never admit that their party got something wrong or is in any way fallible. DLW was a good example of that.

Sampong

chewmylegoff wrote: »

It only looks increasingly unlikely if you ignore the photograph of him actually doing a nazi salute and choose to believe one of the most ludicrous excuses ever given since little johnny told his teacher that a dog had eaten his homework.

Whether or not he is doing a Nazi salute is undoubtedly in question. These pictures appeared at the same time as the fake facebook comments appeared. The matter of the spoof facebook account is a definite. It is a fact, then can be no argument over that, unless you think the Police didn't do a thorough enough job of using their advanced technology to spend several weeks examining Alex Wood's facebook account and checking his computer for evidence. The conclusion was that these "comments" came from somewhere else.

So somebody published (without doubt) fake facebook screenshots and at the same time these " Nazi Salute" pictures appear. Which, by your own admission are with the wrong hand yet you somehow seem to "know" for definite that it was, in fact - a Nazi salute.

I think you need to get real.

chewmylegoff wrote: »

There are only two possible explanations for your position:

You hope, by saying that there are only two possible explanations for my position I have to choose one and forfeit the argument. That is a very weak position.

You are of course wrong, I think you are becoming more and more desperate. There are of course more than two explanations for my position. And it's neither of the two hair brained paragraphs you wrote.

My position is to look at the facts. The facts are, Alex Wood has not been found guilty of anything. He has been closely investigated by the Police. They concluded that someone else created a spoof facebook account to make racist comments and attribute them to him - a fact that you continually ignore. Beyond that, a daily mirror article claims a photo of him larking around at a pot plant.

A Daily Mirror article. Not to pull the old newspaper discrediting trick that so many use on this forum but an article in the left wing Daily Mirror hardly means that someone should be locked up and the key thrown away.

chewmylegoff wrote: »

There are only two possible explanations for your position:

:rotfl::rotfl:

You can always hope I guess.........

chewmylegoff

Well I choose to call a spade a spade. You seem to want to call it a man pretending to be a pot plant. Each to their own but you look sillier than I do (except in your own wilfully blind head of course, call me desperate if you like but you are the one writing essays trying to defend a man for giving a nazi salute).

Sampong

At 0610 in this video, you can see further photos of Alex Wood and the pot plant. It seems obvious to me that he is just a young lad trying to do something positive and due to a national smear campaign and the sheer ignorance of some people he has had to suffer. He was, for example doing voluntary work for a charity which suspended him at the time of these allegations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PgBuw8VwVg

You will also note from the interview, if you can be bothered to watch it of course (or maybe you would rather form your opinion based on your own prejudices) that he has witness statements explaining the photo. Not that I am suggesting that makes the matter conclusive, but it certainly makes the left wing Daily Mirror article look highly questionable.

Sampong

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Well I choose to call a spade a spade. You seem to want to call it a man pretending to be a pot plant. Each to their own but you look sillier than I do (except in your own wilfully blind head of course, call me desperate if you like but you are the one writing essays trying to defend a man for giving a nazi salute).

OK, so STILL no comment on the result of the Police investigation, no evidence, no facts, and you think I look sillier than you do? I guess I will just have to live with that.

It won't stop me basing my judgement on true facts though - perhaps you should research yours more fully before piping up.

Never mind, at least Hamish still likes your posts.

chewmylegoff

I think we've done this one now, I think a picture of a man doing a nazi salute is a picture of a man doing a nazi salute and you think it isn't because of the police/cps deciding not to prosecute him for something else.

Let's move on, how about I post some pictures of something and then you write several pages claiming it is something else. Let's start with a hippo- 10 bonus points if you can prove it is the meerkat off the telly adverts.

http://animal.discovery.com/mammals/hippo-sunscreen.htm