Ukip

Sampong

It's really funny the way you frame your language Hamish. You write questions to which you think that there are only limited answers, hoping that it will win you the argument.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why do you not just admit that a party whose policies happen to be those that appeal to racists (as well as some non-racist isolationists) will attract more than it's fair share of racists?

They don't have policies that appeal to racists. "Racists" are free to join any number of extreme organisations/parties, they are not welcome in UKIP. UKIP have a policy which does not allow ex BNP members to join for example, whereas the other parties welcome them with open arms, something you forgot to mention. So what policy could you possibly be referring to? Wind Turbines? Hmm....no, that's not racist? Ah yes, it must be immigration. So we're back to the myth then that anybody who campaigns for a sensible immigration policy also must be racist. Yet the conservatives are now addressing this issue, and Labour now admit they got it wrong. So they must be racists too right? Added to that, in a recent poll (cba to look it up so don't ask) 75% of people indicated that they had major concerns about immigration. So they must all be racists too right?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Nobody is saying that every member of UKIP is racist, clearly that is not the case, however it is only natural that racists will flock to a party where the policies align with those policies racists want to see implemented.

Eh? Whenever the subject of UKIP crops up (I didn't start this thread by the way), you consider it your personal vendetta to try and suggest that the majority of UKIP are racist. You may not have ever said the words; "all UKIP members are racist" - but you regularly repeat things like;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I reckon someone's been smoking a pot plant if they think UKIP aren't infested with liars, racists and bigots.

That is ignorance on the highest level. It's offensive, insulting, and nothing more than bully boy tactics.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

I think you will find that BNP members are pretty hardcore, and not fans of UKIP at all. When you say " a lot of them have defected to UKIP" - do you have numbers? Can we have a comparison with how many Tory voters and Labour voters have defected to UKIP? Probably not, because you just totally made that up. Please, where is the evidence that BNP members have flocked in great numbers to UKIP. You do realise that BNP members are not allowed into UKIP as a policy? As for the EDL, they are not even a political party, they are a pressure group who campaign against radical Islam, I can't see how you connect the two.

So come on then.....evidence please......that BNP members (who are prohibited from joining UKIP under policy) have migrated to UKIP in great numbers. ?????????

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You would be a lot more credible if you'd just admit UKIP has a serious problem with attracting racists and bigots, even if you then went on to claim it was trying to deal with it.

But as it stands, this blind defence of UKIP in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just makes you look foolish.

If you want to talk about credibility, and looking foolish, i'm not the one who constantly posts unsubstantiated news stories over and over in an attempt to smear UKIP. Prime example is the Alex Wood case. Any sensible person looking at the totality of the evidence would be able to see that nothing is going on there - I have filled this thread and others with evidence, yet you still try to say otherwise - are you sure you know who's looking foolish?

You say I should admit UKIP has a serious problem with racists and bigots, yet earlier in your post you try to back track by claiming that you're not saying all members are racists and bigots.......your posts just get more and more ridiculous by the day.

Your bizarre ramblings and Prickepant's threats kind of demonstrate some of what is wrong with this country.

Sampong

burnleymik wrote: »

I think if Farage can weed out those BNP nutjobs who have slipped through the net and into UKIP membership, then they would be a very credible party to vote for IMO.

I agree with much of what he says and much of it is common sense. That said, all these politicians just tell us what we want to hear and usually either do nothing or just the opposite of what they pledge.

I think it's about time that the manifesto's are forcibly upheld by any party coming into power.

Sorry for derailing the arguments

They already are a credible pay to vote for. They don't have a problem with BNP nutjobs. As I say in the post above to Hamish, policy prohibits BNP members from joining. Any that are in, have slipped through the net. But you will also find ex BNP members in other political parties.

Graham_Devon

rabbit_burrow wrote: »

I personally follow the usual human characteristics when reaching out, you wouldn't find me curling my thumb in or keeping my fingers tightly together, but each to their own.

The photo could have been flipped, yes. But you could say that about anything, and considering this went to the police and they threw it out, you can safely assume that everything you stated wasn't actually the case.

N1AK

armour wrote: »

Did anybody listen to Nigel Farage being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire last Friday on 5live?
I must say I agreed with a lot of what he was saying and I thought shame on the bbc for the way the interview was conducted.

He wanted to talk about the 'big picture' while she wanted to bog him down in the minutae of the cost of an institution who haven't had their accounts signed off for about 10 years

I will vote UKIP next time.

I wouldn't vote UKIP with a gun to my head and I don't like a lot of things about Nigel Farage; that doesn't mean I can't like some aspects of how they campaign or believe that he genuinely thinks what he is doing is for the good of the country.

People highlight, fairly, that UKIP express their views at an accessible level; even more impressive is that they do this without talking down to people. Sadly, that gets them in a lot of trouble and we're seeing the gradual shift to them 'blandifying' because although the British people claim to like directness and people being themselves they often crucify them when they see it.

I think some of the press attacks on UKIP and Nigel specifically are completely unacceptable given that they are a political party and politician. But then I have strange ideas about democracy like thinking the BNP membership shouldn't be discriminated against by the government and public institutions, as long as it is a legal political party, even though I find most of their views odious.

Sampong

At last a more sensible post.

N1AK wrote: »

I wouldn't vote UKIP with a gun to my head and I don't like a lot of things about Nigel Farage; that doesn't mean I can't like some aspects of how they campaign or believe that he genuinely thinks what he is doing is for the good of the country.

Which is of course your choice in a free democracy. Obviously I would wish for more people to support UKIP but you have to respect people's views and choices. The choices of those who vote UKIP should also be respected. Instead, certain groups/people are quick to publicly claim they are in some way racists, bigots etc - that's just not cricket.

N1AK wrote: »

People highlight, fairly, that UKIP express their views at an accessible level; even more impressive is that they do this without talking down to people. Sadly, that gets them in a lot of trouble and we're seeing the gradual shift to them 'blandifying' because although the British people claim to like directness and people being themselves they often crucify them when they see it.

I think generally the public do appreciate the directness. The "blandifying" is done by a minority.

N1AK wrote: »

I think some of the press attacks on UKIP and Nigel specifically are completely unacceptable given that they are a political party and politician. But then I have strange ideas about democracy like thinking the BNP membership shouldn't be discriminated against by the government and public institutions, as long as it is a legal political party, even though I find most of their views odious.

That is not a strange idea about democracy at all. In fact, it's exactly how democracy is supposed to work. Every one of us is entitled to our say, provided of course it is within legal parameters like you say.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

OK, fun and games aside....

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

You would be a lot more credible if you'd just admit UKIP has a serious problem with attracting racists and bigots, even if you then went on to claim it was trying to deal with it.

But as it stands, this blind defence of UKIP in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just makes you look foolish.

Sampong wrote: »

So come on then.....evidence please......that BNP members (who are prohibited from joining UKIP under policy) have migrated to UKIP in great numbers. ?????????

Tick tock

Tick tock

When are we going to see evidence of your claims?

Mr._Pricklepants

Sampong wrote: »

I recently posted some detailed response to some of your previous abusive posts. One of which for example was regarding Alex Wood, the UKIP candidate who you like to claim was giving the Nazi salute.

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Ok Sampy. Time to put up or shut up.
Link to the post where I claimed that.

Tickety tock.

Found anything?

Sampong

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Tickety tock.

Found anything?

It's very difficult to distinguish between you and Hamish really.

More threats coming my way today or have you perhaps decided that's not such a great idea mister keyboard warrior?

Mr._Pricklepants

Sampong wrote: »

It's very difficult to distinguish between you and Hamish really.

More threats coming my way today or have you perhaps decided that's not such a great idea?

So you haven't found anything.

System

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

So you haven't found anything.

He'll claim his MSE account was hacked when he made that accusation next. Just like his idols.