16 year old, temp job, too many hours?

notanewuser

hollylangman37 wrote: »

I think a lot of people are missing the point, for the girl to work both the shifts would be illegal.
It doesn't matter if it's for a week or continuous.

I agree with Balletshoes, I don't think the Mum should have contacted the company as it's the daughter's job but what's done is done.

Illegal, yes. But there's no body to enforce it. ;

It's illegal to break the speed limit.

It's illegal to pinch a grape from a bunch before paying for it.

It's illegal to give alcohol to under 18s.

People do every one of those things without serious repercussions every day. It's a considered risk. Just as it would have been for the OP's DD to work the shifts allocated.

Lokolo

hollylangman37 wrote: »

I think a lot of people are missing the point, for the girl to work both the shifts would be illegal.
It doesn't matter if it's for a week or continuous.

And I haven't said anything to disagree with the legality of it, I am questioning whether any gives a damn! As I said previously, when I was that age I worked loads of "illegal" shifts, did I care? No. I was getting paid loads and getting lots of experience.

hollylangman37

Lokolo wrote: »

Indeed 4 Saturdays, presumably more than 3 hours as well? I agree, something could come out of it, but its a lot less likely now she's only working a total of 6 hours.

I know when I was 16 I didn't look up whether it was illegal to work the hours I did (and funnily enough, they were), I just did the work. The OPs DD could have done the same.

Agreed that the OP should have stayed out of the conversation between DD and the employer.

I think it's highly unlikely that the OPs DD would have said "Oh I don't want to have worked those extra 6 hours".

I think the company have made a mistake in offering those hours, it happens.
The OP's DD could have worked the hours, it would have been illegal and may have had repercussions for the company.
I'm not disputing that she wouldn't have worked the extra hours but obviously a parent is just concerned about the shift pattern.

I do think it should have been left between the company and the daughter to discuss.

hollylangman37

Lokolo wrote: »

And I haven't said anything to disagree with the legality of it, I am questioning whether any gives a damn! As I said previously, when I was that age I worked loads of "illegal" shifts, did I care? No. I was getting paid loads and getting lots of experience.

I think if the company were audited and it was discovered that they had under 18s working illegal shift patterns, they would give a damn.

notanewuser

hollylangman37 wrote: »

I think if the company were audited and it was discovered that they had under 18s working illegal shift patterns, they would give a damn.

Audited by whom? It wouldn't be looked at.

hollylangman37

notanewuser wrote: »

Audited by whom? It wouldn't be looked at.

Many companies employ auditors to check branches are trading safely and legally.

What's the point in having regulations then if nobody if going to stick to them?

The Working Time Regulations are in place to ensure that the worker is treated fairly. I have seen companies brought to Employment Tribunals for breaching the Working Time Regulations, trying to get employees to work any hours that suit them.

ebaybaby

Goodness me, some of you should go back and re-read some of your posts, how petty and nasty some of you are!

notanewuser

hollylangman37 wrote: »

Many companies employ auditors to check branches are trading safely and legally.

What's the point in having regulations then if nobody if going to stick to them?

The Working Time Regulations are in place to ensure that the worker is treated fairly. I have seen companies brought to Employment Tribunals for breaching the Working Time Regulations, trying to get employees to work any hours that suit them.

You've seen it, have you? Do please feel free to post some links to prove what you say is true.

I've worked for numerous major hotel chains, all of whom employ under 18s as a matter of course, and not one employs auditors to review what hours are worked. I was head of Recruitment and Training at the last one, so have significant experience of this.

Not one of the companies I consult for do this either.

hollylangman37

notanewuser wrote: »

You've seen it, have you? Do please feel free to post some links to prove what you say is true.

I've worked for numerous major hotel chains, all of whom employ under 18s as a matter of course, and not one employs auditors to review what hours are worked. I was head of Recruitment and Training at the last one, so have significant experience of this.

Not one of the companies I consult for do this either.

Yes I have personally witnessed it. I have been into ET's and seen companies brought to them for breaching the Regulations.

I work for a large retailer who employs auditors who check that the company is trading legally, this includes working time. Being head of Training and Recruitment, you must be aware of the Regulations issued.

For those who aren't too sure, this provides a brief summary: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/nov/06/workandcareers.europeanunion

Every company has a legal duty to keep accurate records showing that working time regulations are being complied with for each employee. If a company breaches the regulations and it is brought to the attention of the relevant authorities, the company can face being fined

Georgiegirl256

sewandsew03 wrote: »

God help anyone who would come and work for you then!

I called up and ASKED if the the shifts were correct, I DIDNT comment on the rights and wrongs of them.

You obviously did, you said they mentioned that they mentioned that they hadn't checked the ages.