16 year old, temp job, too many hours?

Gillyx

My OH frequently works until 11.15pm and starts at 6am the next day (not quite the same ) and he works much longer shifts than 3 or 4 hours. Is it legal, probably not, does he need the job? Yep, so he does it.

In my experience too from retail work, a lot of the 16 year plus workers are using there wages to go out and about at the weekend, so a lot of the time you'd have people getting in at 4am and making it to work for 8am and doing a 9 hour shift, yes of there choosing but it is possible.

If she is looking for long term work from this, I'd suck it up she can have a sleep when she finishes at 8.30.

Edit: If it's the company I'm thinking about, if she does get long term work the shifts won't always be like this, AFAIK even the long term staff are asked to work crazy hours at sale time but the rest of the time the shifts are pretty standard x

sulkisu

sewandsew03 wrote: »

deannatrois wrote: »

The shift pattern is not good.., but its for two days as I see from your post. She didn't have to take the job.., she can leave mid way if she wants to. Its her decision, not yours. I know I worked crazy hours during my youth and I had the energy to do it. As someone else said (and you bit her head off) it isn't going to kill her. She's your daughter, you want to protect her, but she's becoming an adult and needs to be able to decide for herself what she will and won't do. And she will. Don't put obstacles in her way.[/QUOTE

Ok, my post was never about whether she should take the job or not, she doesn't have to. It was about the hours given to her.
Are they legal?
Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable to expect a kid to leave work at 12am and go back at 5.30am.
I fail to see how IM putting obstacles in her way??????

But no-one is expecting a child to do those hours - that's the point. Your daughter has decided that she wants to do them (or rather, that she is prepared to do them). As I said before, if it was compulsory, I would agree with you, but it isn't. I have three boys and 'no' I probably wouldn't be thrilled with them working such a shift at 16, but if they decided that they wanted to, I would either have to accept it or tell them that they couldn't do it.

Dunroamin

sewandsew03 wrote: »

Well according to the link, its not!

"You must have twelve hours rest between each working day"

As hollylangman37 states, its not one long shift but two, she wont get home until 12.20am then will have to be up at 4.40am to get ready and get back there!

I've since spoke to the store and although she'd taken her passport and birth certificate this morning they have said they don't check peoples ages (?) as its against the law (ageism). That they probably would have called her this afternoon when they checked everyone's details and told her she is too young to do both shifts, she now has just the one shift 5.30am - 9.30am.

Well, that's a result, isn't it? She's now got 50% less income than she had before!

CH27

Are Next having a sale?

The sale shifts are always horrid but don't happen often. It will give your daughter a real insight into retail

*max*

It's only for 2 weeks, so she would only have to do this twice...

She could sleep for a few hours before her shift on the Friday, and go to bed early on the saturday. Not such a terrible thing to do, especially if it's only twice with a week in between. She's 16, not 12.

sewandsew03

But they were expecting her to do them! They gave her the shifts, which I've now found out is against the law as there needs to be a twelve hour break in between. I'm not sure why you are not getting this??

I'm going to bow out of this thread now, thank you to those that helped...........have to say though, God help newbies on here.......some people are always getting out the bed the wrong side ;-)

notanewuser

sewandsew03 wrote: »

Ok, my post was never about whether she should take the job or not, she doesn't have to. It was about the hours given to her.
Are they legal?
Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable to expect a kid to leave work at 12am and go back at 5.30am.
I fail to see how IM putting obstacles in her way??????

I did hours like that when I was 15/16/17 working at a hotel. I regularly finished work at 2am and then started a breakfast shift at 6am. This was before the working time directive.

Not only did I survive, but this "kid" paid board and lodge from the age of 15, had enough money saved for driving lessons and a car at 17 and enough to buy a house at 19. Oh, and 12 GCSEs and 4 A levels to boot!!!

notanewuser

RichardD1970 wrote: »

As far as I'm aware employees are entitled to specific gaps between shifts (not sure what these are for which age group), but these entitlements can be waived.
In every job I have had we have had to sign to waive these rights, so there is no chance of falling foul of the regulations due to overtime etc. It was a case of either sign or don't have the job.

You absolutely, positively, definitely cannot waive these rights. The only right you can waive is to be prepared to work more than 48 hours per week (at the moment). Statutory rest breaks must be taken, but the regulations allow them not to be adhered to only in limited circumstance.

hollylangman37

I'm pretty sure the point of the thread was whether working the given shift pattern would be legal.

Of course, the hours wouldn't kill the girl, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us could work the hours on the odd occasion but it's not the physical effect of working the hours, it's whether it is actually legal.

In this case, it isn't and the company have changed the hours.

balletshoes

sewandsew03 wrote: »

deannatrois wrote: »

The shift pattern is not good.., but its for two days as I see from your post. She didn't have to take the job.., she can leave mid way if she wants to. Its her decision, not yours. I know I worked crazy hours during my youth and I had the energy to do it. As someone else said (and you bit her head off) it isn't going to kill her. She's your daughter, you want to protect her, but she's becoming an adult and needs to be able to decide for herself what she will and won't do. And she will. Don't put obstacles in her way.[/QUOTE

Ok, my post was never about whether she should take the job or not, she doesn't have to. It was about the hours given to her.
Are they legal?
Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable to expect a kid to leave work at 12am and go back at 5.30am.
I fail to see how IM putting obstacles in her way??????

I'd think it unreasonable if its a regular shift pattern - but is it? Or is it just this week, or just those 2 days?