16 year old, temp job, too many hours?

Dunroamin

alwaysskint96 wrote: »

I didnt think under 18s were allowed to work later than 10pm unless thats changed

From the link provided,

"There are special limits on the hours you can work at night. You cannot usually work between 10pm and 6am. If you are contracted to work after 10pm, you must stop work at 11pm and not start again before 7am. There are some exceptions for young people who work in hospitals, agriculture, retail, hotels and catering, bakeries, post/newspaper deliveries, or in connection with cultural, artistic, sporting or advertising activities. You are not allowed to work between midnight and 4am, except in the most exceptional circumstances.

The rules about working at night do not apply when:-

your employer needs you to work to maintain continuity of service or production, or to respond to a sudden rush in demand; and
doing the work would not affect your education or training; and
no adult is available to do the work; and
you are supervised by an adult (if this is necessary for your protection) and you are allowed a period of rest as compensation."

hollylangman37

I actually work in retail and any employees who are under 18 are only allowed to work until 10pm. I would think any reputable company would comply to Working Time Regulations.

The fact is the girl is working two shifts and not just one with a long break in the middle, so you need to look at it from the legal perspective of being two shifts.

peachyprice

hollylangman37 wrote: »

I actually work in retail and any employees who are under 18 are only allowed to work until 10pm. I would think any reputable company would comply to Working Time Regulations.

They are though.

Dunroamin wrote: »

From the link provided,

"There are special limits on the hours you can work at night. You cannot usually work between 10pm and 6am. If you are contracted to work after 10pm, you must stop work at 11pm and not start again before 7am. There are some exceptions for young people who work in hospitals, agriculture, retail, hotels and catering, bakeries, post/newspaper deliveries, or in connection with cultural, artistic, sporting or advertising activities. You are not allowed to work between midnight and 4am, except in the most exceptional circumstances.

The rules about working at night do not apply when:-

your employer needs you to work to maintain continuity of service or production, or to respond to a sudden rush in demand; and
doing the work would not affect your education or training; and
no adult is available to do the work; and
you are supervised by an adult (if this is necessary for your protection) and you are allowed a period of rest as compensation."

sewandsew03

Dunroamin wrote: »

And I'm pointing out that you could look at this as one shift with a long break, as opposed to two shifts with too short a break between them.

In any case, from the link provided, it's obviously perfectly legal.

Well according to the link, its not!

"You must have twelve hours rest between each working day"

As hollylangman37 states, its not one long shift but two, she wont get home until 12.20am then will have to be up at 4.40am to get ready and get back there!

I've since spoke to the store and although she'd taken her passport and birth certificate this morning they have said they don't check peoples ages (?) as its against the law (ageism). That they probably would have called her this afternoon when they checked everyone's details and told her she is too young to do both shifts, she now has just the one shift 5.30am - 9.30am.

sulkisu

sewandsew03 wrote: »

I am, I'm more annoyed that the company are taking advantage to be honest, using kids for sh**ty hours!!

How is the company taking advantage of your daughter? They needed temporary staff to work certain (albeit crappy) hours and advertised for this. Your daughter did not have to apply or even take the job, so to say that she (or any other teenager who applied) is being taken advantage of is a bit OTT.

Having phoned them on her behalf, I am surprised that she still has a job to go to. If (due to her age or any other factor) they found that she is unable to work the hours that they needed, they would have been within their rights to say that they didn't need her at all.

sewandsew03

sulkisu wrote: »

How is the company taking advantage of your daughter? They needed temporary staff to work certain (albeit crappy) hours and advertised for this. Your daughter did not have to apply or even take the job, so to say that she (or any other teenager who applied) is being taken advantage of is a bit OTT.

Having phoned them on her behalf, I am surprised that she still has a job to go to. If (due to her age or any other factor) they found that she is unable to work the hours that they needed, they would have been within their rights to say that they didn't need her at all.

Oh come off it.....they take on kids and the kids get the short end of the straw.
They DONT advertise the hours, they are given at the induction.
I'll remind you of a quote from a previous thread you were involved in:
"I will probably get flamed for saying this , but when you have children, they should be your priority"

My daughter is 16. SHE is MY priority. Why should I not call on her behalf??
Read my post again. The store have told me they were wrong to offer her the shift, its got nothing to do whether she is available or not.

[Deleted User]

The shift pattern is not good.., but its for two days as I see from your post. She didn't have to take the job.., she can leave mid way if she wants to. Its her decision, not yours. I know I worked crazy hours during my youth and I had the energy to do it. As someone else said (and you bit her head off) it isn't going to kill her. She's your daughter, you want to protect her, but she's becoming an adult and needs to be able to decide for herself what she will and won't do. And she will. Don't put obstacles in her way.

sulkisu

sewandsew03 wrote: »

Oh come off it.....they take on kids and the kids get the short end of the straw.
They DONT advertise the hours, they are given at the induction.
I'll remind you of a quote from a previous thread you were involved in:
"I will probably get flamed for saying this , but when you have children, they should be your priority"

My daughter is 16. SHE is MY priority. Why should I not call on her behalf??
Read my post again. The store have told me they were wrong to offer her the shift, its got nothing to do whether she is available or not.

I am well aware of what I posted before, so no need to go trawling through the archives .

I did read your post, perhaps you need to read mine again. I didn't say that you should not have phoned the store. I said that as it turned out that she was unable to work the hours that they clearly expected her to (regardless of whose fault that was), she is fortunate that they did not say 'forget it, we can't use you at all'.

My original point still stands. Your daughter was not forced to apply for or take the job. I doubt very much if the store has insisted on 16 year old applicants. If, for example, this was some sort of compulsory work programme, and she had no choice but to attend and work crappy hours, then I would agree with you, but it is not. She had a choice, she still does. She could say 'stuff this, I am going to apply somewhere else where the conditions are better. She has chosen not to. So to say that she is being taken advantage of because she saw a job that she wanted to apply for and did so, is ridiculous.

sewandsew03

deannatrois wrote: »

The shift pattern is not good.., but its for two days as I see from your post. She didn't have to take the job.., she can leave mid way if she wants to. Its her decision, not yours. I know I worked crazy hours during my youth and I had the energy to do it. As someone else said (and you bit her head off) it isn't going to kill her. She's your daughter, you want to protect her, but she's becoming an adult and needs to be able to decide for herself what she will and won't do. And she will. Don't put obstacles in her way.[/QUOTE

Ok, my post was never about whether she should take the job or not, she doesn't have to. It was about the hours given to her.
Are they legal?
Am I the only one who finds it unreasonable to expect a kid to leave work at 12am and go back at 5.30am.
I fail to see how IM putting obstacles in her way??????

sewandsew03

As originally stated:
"so is prepared to work the hours no-one else wants basically"

So, I'll say again.......my daughter is prepared to do it, I haven't come on here moaning about them, more about the time INBETWEEN them.