Daydream thread... without the rose-tinted specs

moneyistooshorttomention

Thinking what fruit producers I want next for my garden and I do like cherry plum trees:T

With the space available, then I need a dwarf one. I've been googling around and cant find any sign of one on dwarfing stock. I know such a thing "should" be available, so I imagine it must be available somewhere or other.

Does anyone know of where I can buy a miniature cherry plum tree somewhere please? Cherry plums are one of my favourite fruits and I am really hoping I might be able to find one I can slot into a suitable place here. Some other fruit trees I have put in are a case of "Oh well, I'll save money by having my own", but cherry plums simply aren't available at all anywhere basically unless you have your own source of supply.

Quinces are another favourite fruit of mine and I know quince trees are too big for my little plot. At least there is an alternative with them, as in having an ornamental quince shrub (as the fruit are still edible), but I would like a miniature quince tree as well if possible if anyone knows of a supplier please.

I know...I know...I could do with a time machine to "fast forward" to, say, 5 years time when demand for these (otherwise unavailable) fruit has hotted-up. But its 2014 and I want some right now........I love my cherry plums and quince.

lostinrates

Money, you could check out keepers nursery. I've got on my list to order two trees from there for planting season, because they were sold out last autumn so I want to be sure to get on the list.

The owner is a guy of Iranian origin IIRC, and reemendously informative and I found him generous with information.




I'm wondering if I could try pomegranates as espaliers. I down&'the hold out much hope of fruiting, but you never know.

I'm torn ATM. I want pomegranates and a kaki ( we bought three to last garden with us but all died ) but cherries are probably safest bet in that north garden.

moneyistooshorttomention

lostinrates wrote: »

Money, you could check out keepers nursery. I've got on my list to order two trees from there for planting season, because they were sold out last autumn so I want to be sure to get on the list.

The owner is a guy of Iranian origin IIRC, and reemendously informative and I found him generous with information.




I'm wondering if I could try pomegranates as espaliers. I down&'the hold out much hope of fruiting, but you never know.

I'm torn ATM. I want pomegranates and a kaki ( we bought three to last garden with us but all died ) but cherries are probably safest bet in that north garden.

Ooh thanks:T

Will look into this.:)

Hmmm...pomegranates is a thought that hadn't crossed my mind...but I do like them...so will investigate (having assumed that they wouldn't be possible in this climate).

I've found a local friendly nursery for trees etc and can trust them to pick out good examples of more "conventional" fruit trees/bushes I want and just ring them up and discuss what I want with them and we agree over the phone and then I leave them to pick out good examples of what we have agreed. But I am currently a bit stymied about anything that's a bit more avant-garde currently, so will check out that nursery you mention.:T

EDIT: I've had a quick look at that website and found something that I think should be just the job for me and placed an order. It looks as if I won't have it in place for some time, but it's "on its way"...so that's a plus. Thanks again.

moneyistooshorttomention

On a very different tack, has anyone come across a case where there is a difference of opinion between a "real" owner of land (ie the person who properly/legally owns it because they have bought it) on the one hand and someone who is attempting to steal it by squatting on it on the other hand?

I would be interested to know if this is the case and how things panned out in the event...having moved to somewhere where "theft by squatting" seems to be pretty commonplace and it's certainly a "new one" on me because I can only recall one attempted theft this way back in home area and the would-be thief didn't succeed (ie because the relevant local Council "belted them one").

DawnW

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Quinces are another favourite fruit of mine and I know quince trees are too big for my little plot. At least there is an alternative with them, as in having an ornamental quince shrub (as the fruit are still edible), but I would like a miniature quince tree as well if possible if anyone knows of a supplier please.

I bought a 'patio quince Leskovacz' from Thomson and Morgan the autumn before last. It arrived in a small pot (it took a while to arrive). I transferred it to a big pot, and it seems to be happy in that. I had 5 quinces last year, they were large, a lovely golden colour, and made several jars of jelly. The tree is currently covered in blossom

It is beautiful, my favourite thing in the garden.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I thought squatting was no made illegal? I should imagine you would have to go through legal preceedings via a court order for them to be removed. either that a 'friendly' ( ahem) word in their ear might do it too lol..

moneyistooshorttomention

DawnW wrote: »

I bought a 'patio quince Leskovacz' from Thomson and Morgan the autumn before last. It arrived in a small pot (it took a while to arrive). I transferred it to a big pot, and it seems to be happy in that. I had 5 quinces last year, they were large, a lovely golden colour, and made several jars of jelly. The tree is currently covered in blossom

It is beautiful, my favourite thing in the garden.

Thanks:T

Will check that out.

Now if I had room for things like medlar and mulberry as well all would be good.....

Has feeling I like "medieval" type fruits and maybe I should go off and have an internet search on what else comes under that heading...

Anyone got any suggestions for what I might be overlooking that would come under that sort of category and would fit into a very "modest" size plot?

I work on the basis that my first Growing Priority for what to fit into my garden is things I can't buy in the shops (or Farmers Markets) anywhere and the "common or garden stuff" can always be bought later if need be if there isn't room for it.

moneyistooshorttomention

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

I thought squatting was no made illegal? I should imagine you would have to go through legal preceedings via a court order for them to be removed. either that a 'friendly' ( ahem) word in their ear might do it too lol..

As far as I read things so far there was a law passed in the early part of this century that equals those who wish to achieve theft by squatting must officially notify those who really own the land/property and give them a chance to deal with things.

In the 20th century and prior to that, I think there was this daft "Just sit there for 12 years and count it as yours" idea...and no need to tell the real owner that that's what you were doing...

I understand the thinking behind "previous state of play" was that land/property couldn't just be left to sit there with no-one apparently the owner of it for decade after decade after decade and squatters were therefore allowed to put in a claim for it. But, come this century, I think things have been more "sorted out" and squatters have to officially notify the real owner of their intention.

Well that was my reading of the set-up....though guessing it would be as well to be totally au fait with this, as its so commonplace hereabouts as far as I can see. I could instantly reel off at least 6 bits of land that would appear to be being used by squatters hereabouts (even if they are only very tiny) and that's a bit of a revelation to me...and I suspect down to local Councils that cant be relied on to "belt them one" if/when notified (not sure of why those Councils are like that....).

It's a different take on things sometimes to what I'm used to.

lostinrates

We have a mulberry and my family planted them at each house. They are fine, it will be many years before you see any decent crop of fruit, We've only ever had handfuls.

Dh's mother' sashes are beneath very old berries in a city we visit on her birthday.....about when mulberries are ripe. Now, that's a useful coincidence

moneyistooshorttomention

That is the thing about mulberries.

As I understand it, if you have inherited one then be grateful. Otherwise, work out how long you anticipate you will live before you plant one, as my reading was that they take years before they start producing.

As someone in late middle age, then I think realistically that I am not going to be able to have a mulberry tree unless I "inherit" it, as my suspicion is that I don't have enough years left alive to be able to get "value for my money" on that. A young person could plant one and it would work out for them, but I suspect I am too old now to be able to plant one myself and feel I had got my "value" from it, though I live in hopes of one that is both miniature and "quick off the mark".