Friend racially abused on the bus :(

Buick

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Guest101

Dogger69 wrote: »

You said if someone got hurt due to you confronting the abuser 'well that's life' - just a few posts up if you cannot remember.

I would take the children away from the situation, that way no one comes to harm.

You come across as extremely aggressive. I am glad to say my idea of civilised society is exactly that, civilised.

That is life, that's not double standards! Of course people get hurt, all the time.

What's civilised about standing by and letting this happen??!! i'm not agressive, i stand up for people and make sure that scum like this dont get away with it.

Enjoy living quietly in a corner.

dktreesea

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention. Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school. In muslim countries, if christian women don't want to be abused on the street for the way they dress, they cover.

As for travelling on a bus with drunks on it, what time of the day was it? We have children older than you, OP. My husband wouldn't dream of letting his DD travel on a bus from the early evening onwards. He would go and pick her up.

dktreesea

Guest101 wrote: »

That is life, that's not double standards! Of course people get hurt, all the time.

What's civilised about standing by and letting this happen??!! i'm not agressive, i stand up for people and make sure that scum like this dont get away with it.

Enjoy living quietly in a corner.

It's possible - worst case scenario - that the people on the bus agreed with the abuser. Sad to say, but possible.

But even if they didn't, they may have been influenced by the fact that the girl being abused and the OP did nothing about the situation. Neither of them approached the bus driver and asked him to call the police. If girls of that age aren't prepared to do the right thing - which is either to report it to the driver, and if he does nothing, call the police, should the rest of the public take it upon themselves to intervene?

pigpen

Nada666 wrote: »

A fifteen year old child should not dress like a fifty year old pensioner.

People of 50 aren't pensioners. Most are hard working adults, many are grandparents and I dare say most wouldn't even consider it, that is what their mums wear. I'm certain most would be appalled to be thought of as pensioners.

My mother is 60 in a few weeks and most would take for a goth! .. The thought of her wearing a head scarf is hilarious tbh.

Plus, it is nothing to do with anyone else how someone chooses to dress.. Shirtless men make me feel physically sick, but if one got on the bus I'd not verbally abuse them about it.. I'd rather see a young girl wearing a scarf as respect for her religion than a revolting beer gut drooping over a pair of shorts!

Guest101

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention. Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school. In muslim countries, if christian women don't want to be abused on the street for the way they dress, they cover.

As for travelling on a bus with drunks on it, what time of the day was it? We have children older than you, OP. My husband wouldn't dream of letting his DD travel on a bus from the early evening onwards. He would go and pick her up.

So in a 'free' country, we have to tell people how to dress, or they are asking for attack. and they cant be out after certain hours. Sounds like NAzi germany and the jews to me!!!!

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention. Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school. In muslim countries, if christian women don't want to be abused on the street for the way they dress, they cover.

As for travelling on a bus with drunks on it, what time of the day was it? We have children older than you, OP. My husband wouldn't dream of letting his DD travel on a bus from the early evening onwards. He would go and pick her up.

sorry but I disagree with that - I don't think anyone should have to expect that because they wear a headscarf, they will be verbally abused or attacked. A person really does have to be a complete moron, in my opinion, to abuse or attack anyone because of the way they dress.

Guest101

dktreesea wrote: »

It's possible - worst case scenario - that the people on the bus agreed with the abuser. Sad to say, but possible.

But even if they didn't, they may have been influenced by the fact that the girl being abused and the OP did nothing about the situation. Neither of them approached the bus driver and asked him to call the police. If girls of that age aren't prepared to do the right thing - which is either to report it to the driver, and if he does nothing, call the police, should the rest of the public take it upon themselves to intervene?

YES they should, that's the whole point!

Anything less is agreeing with hat he is saying.

2 15 year old girls are being abused and all they see if people sat there agreeing with this scum bag.

Should've dragged him off the bus and apologised to the girls, explaining that the majority of peopel are still good and decent!

pigpen

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention. Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school. In muslim countries, if christian women don't want to be abused on the street for the way they dress, they cover.

As for travelling on a bus with drunks on it, what time of the day was it? We have children older than you, OP. My husband wouldn't dream of letting his DD travel on a bus from the early evening onwards. He would go and pick her up.

And what of the 85y/o muslim man stabbed to death in the street on his way home from the mosque a few days before who got next to no media coverage at all?

2 wrongs don't make a right!

A soldier IS a killer.. they are paid to do so with no consequence.

ANY killing is abhorrent.. the religion/age/gender is irrelevant.. no one should die like that ever.. but they do and there is no excuse at all and the absolutely should not be made more or less of because of their job or any other factor.

The media are the ones stirring up the religious hatred they should also be prosecuted for these crimes because they are to a large degree responsible!

gwhizz75

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Your posts scream of "I'm not racist but...."