Friend racially abused on the bus :(

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

One thing for sure. If I were of a mind to dress differently the normal way people dress here, not to mention wanting to be in a public place at the time or place drunks are likely to be on the prowl, I'd make sure I took some self defence courses first.

maybe the OP's friend wasn't dressed differently to other normal people in the area, and she happened to be the only one in a headscarf on the bus at the time the drunk moron spied her?

dktreesea

balletshoes wrote: »

Every country in the world has people who are under pressure with some who drink heavily. That absolutely doesn't excuse racist outbursts at children, or anyone else, come to that.

You are defending the morons dktreesea, by making excuses for them.

What about goths, what about punks, what about bikers, what about hippies? What about - oh I don't know, any person in this country or any other who doesn't apparently conform to what a British moron drunk thinks is the "right" way to look?

I'm not defending them. Nor excusing their behaviour. But why set yourself up for that kind of behaviour? And when children are involved, surely it's the parent's responsibility to make sure they get to and from their destination safely, including not letting them travel on buses that you know may be carrying undesirables who are likely to abuse them?

When I first read the OP's post, my first thought was where on earth are their fathers? Why are they travelling on a bus alone at that age, without a responsible adult accompanying them?

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

I'm not defending them. Nor excusing their behaviour. But why set yourself up for that kind of behaviour? And when children are involved, surely it's the parent's responsibility to make sure they get to and from their destination safely, including not letting them travel on buses that you know may be carrying undesirables who are likely to abuse them?

When I first read the OP's post, my first thought was where on earth are their fathers? Why are they travelling on a bus alone at that age, without a responsible adult accompanying them?

because they are 15? Mine is 12 and she gets to take the bus into town with her friends.

This drunken moron episode on the bus could have happened in the afternoon - the pubs open at 11am and drunk moron might have been drinking at home since he woke up.

gettingbackontrack

dktreesea wrote: »

I'm not defending them. Nor excusing their behaviour. But why set yourself up for that kind of behaviour? And when children are involved, surely it's the parent's responsibility to make sure they get to and from their destination safely, including not letting them travel on buses that you know may be carrying undesirables who are likely to abuse them?

When I first read the OP's post, my first thought was where on earth are their fathers? Why are they travelling on a bus alone at that age, without a responsible adult accompanying them?

Again you're blaming the victims. "Why set yourself up?" "Buses that you know may carry undesirables"? You're clutching at straws to try to justify your disgusting views.

I cannot imagine what kind of individual would think a 15-year-old girl should not travel safely on a bus. Good grief.

dktreesea

gettingbackontrack wrote: »

Normal people? Good grief.

I would say the OP's friend was more "normal" than someone who blames a victim. Or a drunken bigot.

Shameful.

Did I say "normal people"? No. Twisting my words. I think I said the normal way people dress. Quite a different thing.

And I am pretty sure most drunks don't know what they are doing, including being able to fully control the garbage that sometimes spouts from their mouths.

little-spender

OP You don't come from Bradford, do you? As I know Bradford has terrible trouble with racist men abusing women for what they wear and they are not drunk., maybe this is the same as what happened to your friend.

At least in this instance he was drunk, which altho not good, is better than sober men doing it.

dktreesea

balletshoes wrote: »

because they are 15? Mine is 12 and she gets to take the bus into town with her friends.

This drunken moron episode on the bus could have happened in the afternoon - the pubs open at 11am and drunk moron might have been drinking at home since he woke up.

Mine is 17 and none of them, neither she nor her friends, travel on the bus unless they have males accompanying them.

gettingbackontrack

dktreesea wrote: »

Did I say "normal people"? No. Twisting my words. I think I said the normal way people dress. Quite a different thing.

And I am pretty sure most drunks don't know what they are doing, including being able to fully control the garbage that sometimes spouts from their mouths.

You said "the normal way people dress here".

What is normal? Where is here? Your idea of normal is definitely not mine from what I've read of your posts.

And drunks don't know what they're doing so that makes it OK?

You are trying to defend the indefensible and I wonder why. Every time you post I feel even more nauseated that people in this country might share your opinions.

gettingbackontrack

dktreesea wrote: »

Mine is 17 and none of them, neither she nor her friends, travel on the bus unless they have males accompanying them.

I pity your children. You will blame them if they are attacked or abused.

What sort of a world do you live in that you think a 17-year-old cannot go out without a male accompanying them? Utterly sexist as well as everything else.

dktreesea

gettingbackontrack wrote: »

Again you're blaming the victims. "Why set yourself up?" "Buses that you know may carry undesirables"? You're clutching at straws to try to justify your disgusting views.

I cannot imagine what kind of individual would think a 15-year-old girl should not travel safely on a bus. Good grief.

What is so wrong with expecting people to be aware of the kind of society they live in, and to manage their lives appropriately if they don't want to be confronted with that kind of behaviour?

You can't stop bigots, drunk or otherwise. They exist. All you can do, if you don't want the hassle or heartache of dealing with them is to try to limit the possibility of being targetted.

And not all people would expect minors to have to take the risk of going on public transport alone to do anything.