Friend racially abused on the bus :(

gettingbackontrack

dktreesea wrote: »

What is so wrong with expecting people to be aware of the kind of society they live in, and to manage their lives appropriately if they don't want to be confronted with that kind of behaviour?

You can't stop bigots, drunk or otherwise. They exist. All you can do, if you don't want the hassle or heartache of dealing with them is to try to limit the possibility of being targetted.

And not all people would expect minors to have to take the risk of going on public transport alone to do anything.

The risk of public transport? Is this for real or is this a joke. It's this sort of attitude that allowed millions to go to the gas chambers under the Nazis.

Sadly you can't stop bigots be they on a bus or an internet forum spreading their bile and prejudice. I really, really, really do pity your children. They deserve to have a more balanced and non-prejudicial view of modern society.

Edited to add: Actually you can stop the bigots by standing up them on, whether it be on a bus or an internet forum. Saying "that's how people are" is as bad as being the abuser themself. Think about it.

Marker_2

Whilst I have every sympathy for you and your friend, based on what you have said about the things he said I would not have stepped in either.

He was drunk, so you can't talk to a drunk! No reasoning or anything so it would be pointless. Whilst the things he said were wrong and narrow minded, they weren't threatening. His drunken behaviour may have been intimidating but he didn't say anything according to your post that would make you feel physically threatened.

Also, the other passengers who had conversations with him COULD have been trying to distract him away from you and your friend. That is something I would do to deflect a drunk from verbally dribbling at others on a bus!

clemmatis

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

They ask for it, you think?

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/wales/projects/violence-against-women-campaign-asking-for-it/

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention.

They are supposed to dress modestly

Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school.

Non sequitur. And that is not the reason.

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

Mine is 17 and none of them, neither she nor her friends, travel on the bus unless they have males accompanying them.

why don't they?

ecgirl07

Dunroamin wrote: »

He was drunk - you're overreacting.

no she is not she is analyzing the situation to figure out why it happened and what could have been done differently.

dktreesea wrote: »

Wrong. I'm from England. I live in Scotland. I certainly wouldn't fly the St Georges flag from my window. Nor the Union Jack. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" comes to mind.

There's plenty if instances being reported in Britain at the moment, of women wearing the veil being spat on or verbally harassed. They have a solution. If you don't want to run the risk of being harassed, don't wear the veil in Britain. Religion is meant to be a private matter. If you are in a country where women don't cover and you don't want to be abused because of your religion, then don't cover. It's not a requirement in the Koran, to wear a hijab - just to dress modestly.

your posts on this threads are horrific absolutely horrific.

dktreesea

balletshoes wrote: »

why don't they?

To avoid exactly the situation the OP and her friend found herself in.

balletshoes

dktreesea wrote: »

What is so wrong with expecting people to be aware of the kind of society they live in, and to manage their lives appropriately if they don't want to be confronted with that kind of behaviour?

You can't stop bigots, drunk or otherwise. They exist. All you can do, if you don't want the hassle or heartache of dealing with them is to try to limit the possibility of being targetted.

And not all people would expect minors to have to take the risk of going on public transport alone to do anything.

my society (ie my immediate surroundings and the city we live in) is multi-cultural. Have I seen a drunken bigot randomly spouting his tosh on a bus in broad daylight? Yes I have. We all ignored him, regardless of how any of us were dressed.

minors here get the bus to school every day and back on public transport without adults from the time they are 11.

gettingbackontrack

ecgirl07 wrote: »

your posts on this threads are horrific absolutely horrific.

Absolutely. I find them very disturbing.

I hope the OP is reading if not posting and knows that many people think she and her friend were not only appallingly treated but also displayed real courage and intelligence in how they reacted.

And that, despite that despite what dktreesea unbelievably posts, they are not to blame.

gettingbackontrack

dktreesea wrote: »

To avoid exactly the situation the OP and her friend found herself in.

Blame the bigot not the child.

Unless you agree with the bigot of course.....

clemmatis

dktreesea wrote: »

Mine is 17 and none of them, neither she nor her friends, travel on the bus unless they have males accompanying them.

Good lord. Well, perhaps it's time you let them behave the way people normally do.