Accident & Emeregcny Demand unsustainable...

Pennywise

Nothing to do with GPs who only want to work office hours M-F then?

Just think of all the GP surgeries, containing expensive equipment, medical supplies, etc., that are left idle for most of the time, i.e. evenings, overnight and all weekend. That's an absolute travesity.

People these days go to A&E because there are no other reliable services open to them.

If you phone the out of hours doctor service, you get some locum, probably can barely speak English, no access to your medical notes, no access to any back-up services. Why would you risk that with your health?

We desperately need a return to more flexible hours in the GP surgeries. It wouldn't harm them to open a couple of hours more each day, or to open for a few hours on Saturdays and Sundays. Staff don't have to work longer hours, they just have to stagger their working day - start earlier, finish earlier, etc. Businesses can manage to do this painlessly, why not GP surgeries?

As for unsocial hours, these days, most GP surgeries have several (or more) GPs, so they could painlessly arrange a rota for out of hour emergencies. If there are 8 GPs, on cover one weekend in rotation, that's only 1 in 8 weekends that they'd have to be on call. Hardly onerous! We're a far cry from the old days when GP surgeries had only 1 or 2 doctors which meant that they were almost always on call. I'm sure I recall the justification for the merging and enlarging of GP surgeries was for more flexibility - that never happened did it?

So, how about some pressure on GPs to leave their office-hours-desk-job and get back to providing a medical service that their patients need and for which they are well remunerated.

IronWolf

The problem is with the rest of the health service. I have been to A&E about 5 tmies in the last year, because there was no other place for me to go. One time I walked into the GP office and said I was in agony, could I please see my GP. I was refused and they gave me the name of some medicine to get in the pharmacy. After that didn't do anything I went to A&E, they gave me some different medicine after only a short discussion and it relieved the pain. The GP could have done the same thing.

grizzly1911

Pennywise wrote: »

So, how about some pressure on GPs to leave their office-hours-desk-job and get back to providing a medical service that their patients need and for which they are well remunerated.

Don't they have financial budget responsibilities, health care commisioning, service management, form filling, audits, backside covering etc.,etc. to do now;)

Our surgery is big with various associated affiliated services and is open 08:00 - 19:00. Doctors will visit you at home. Not yet had to try out of hours but in one emergency case the doctor was in telephone contact with the hospital to facilitate an urgent resolution.

olly300

IronWolf wrote: »

One time I walked into the GP office and said I was in agony, could I please see my GP. I was refused and they gave me the name of some medicine to get in the pharmacy. After that didn't do anything I went to A&E, they gave me some different medicine after only a short discussion and it relieved the pain. The GP could have done the same thing.

You obviously didn't read your GP practice's website about self medicating.

Seriously I dislike doctor's receptionists. You have to make a real fuss to get a doctor's appointment. They seem to be unable to realise that lots of people are ill but don't make a fuss.

GhIFA

Sampong wrote: »

I didn't say it was the fault of the immigrants. That would be singling them out. That is what you are trying to suggest I am doing.

What I am suggesting is that mass uncontrolled immigration is a contributing factor to this.

What you said was....

Sampong wrote: »

But probably the biggest contributing factor is population growing at an exponential rate through mass immigration. However this is always left out of any "report" even though it is the root cause of the problem.

So, not just "suggesting", but suggesting it is the "biggest contributing factor" and the "root cause of the problem"

As I said yesterday, I'd be interested to see the evidence to support the assertion that mass immigration is the "biggest contributing factor" to the current problems being experienced in A&E departments. I'm assuming you must have missed the request as you haven't provided it yet.........

Sampong

GhIFA wrote: »

As I said yesterday, I'd be interested to see the evidence to support the assertion that mass immigration is the "biggest contributing factor" to the current problems being experienced in A&E departments. I'm assuming you must have missed the request as you haven't provided it yet.........

No I didn't miss he request I just chose to ignore you becuase I found your post/s boring and pointless - for example;

GhIFA wrote: »

So, not just "suggesting", but suggesting it is the "biggest contributing factor" and the "root cause of the problem"

huh?

I did say in the original post though (key point bolded);

Sampong wrote: »

But probably the biggest contributing factor is population growing at an exponential rate through mass immigration. However this is always left out of any "report" even though it is the root cause of the problem.

I guess you must have missed it, since I have been waiting several days for you to read it.

The original post is my opinion, and my suspicion. But another factor to bear in mind (which relates to the bolded text) is that the government have for a long while refused to talk about mass immigration. They have refused to acknowledge there are any resulting problems connected to it. And they refuse to produce any meaningful reporting or statistics that do anything other than tow the party line - which may explain the lack of any "evidence".

However, sometimes the only "evidence" you need is some common sense which seems to be severely lacking in some people, and realise that a fast expanding population and mass immigration is likely to put pressure on infrastructure. You really don't need to be a genius to work this out.

So instead of sitting there smugly tapping away at the keyboard thinking you have one over on somebody on the internet because they haven't bothered to respond to your post - perhaps you should direct your frustration at the establishment to actually start reporting accurately.

GhIFA

I found your post/s boring and pointless

Oh the irony........

The original post is my opinion, and my suspicion.

Which you declared was the root cause of the problem, and the biggest contributing factor.

However, sometimes the only "evidence" you need is some common sense which seems to be severely lacking in some people

Again, oh the irony....

and realise that a fast expanding population and mass immigration is likely to put pressure on infrastructure.

And, I acknowledged in my original post that I agree it is a contributing factor - I disagree that it is the biggest one, or the root cause, which you claimed.

perhaps you should direct your frustration at the establishment to actually start reporting accurately.

Right...so the establishment should report accurately, but that doesn't apply to anyone wanting to push their own agenda who can just make any statement they like without having to back it up. Glad we got that cleared up.

I'm assuming you indignation is because you can't back up your statement..........

Sampong

GhIFA wrote: »

I'm assuming you indignation is because you can't back up your statement..........

:rotfl: .

robmatic

Sampong wrote: »

No I didn't miss he request I just chose to ignore you becuase I found your post/s boring and pointless - for example;



huh?

I did say in the original post though (key point bolded);



I guess you must have missed it, since I have been waiting several days for you to read it.

The original post is my opinion, and my suspicion. But another factor to bear in mind (which relates to the bolded text) is that the government have for a long while refused to talk about mass immigration. They have refused to acknowledge there are any resulting problems connected to it. And they refuse to produce any meaningful reporting or statistics that do anything other than tow the party line - which may explain the lack of any "evidence".

However, sometimes the only "evidence" you need is some common sense which seems to be severely lacking in some people, and realise that a fast expanding population and mass immigration is likely to put pressure on infrastructure. You really don't need to be a genius to work this out.

So instead of sitting there smugly tapping away at the keyboard thinking you have one over on somebody on the internet because they haven't bothered to respond to your post - perhaps you should direct your frustration at the establishment to actually start reporting accurately.

Oh jesus.

I hope you're embarrassed.

GhIFA

Sampong wrote: »

:rotfl: .

And I'm the one who makes pointless posts?

Just so we're clear then, I'll take it from this response you're accepting your statement is a load of tosh, and you've got nothing to back it up.