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Accident & Emeregcny Demand unsustainable...
Sampong
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22460741
There are various contributing factors to this, such as public ignorance abusing A & E by attending for minor illnesses rather than seeing their GP or just drinking a hot toddy when they have a cold.
But probably the biggest contributing factor is population growing at an exponential rate through mass immigration. However this is always left out of any "report" even though it is the root cause of the problem.
There seem to be a couple of basic options;
*curb the flow of mass immigration
*pump more taxpayer money into the NHS, build more hospitals, employ more staff.
The former seems like a good idea.
The latter I feel would add to our ever increasing black hole.
There are various contributing factors to this, such as public ignorance abusing A & E by attending for minor illnesses rather than seeing their GP or just drinking a hot toddy when they have a cold.
But probably the biggest contributing factor is population growing at an exponential rate through mass immigration. However this is always left out of any "report" even though it is the root cause of the problem.
There seem to be a couple of basic options;
*curb the flow of mass immigration
*pump more taxpayer money into the NHS, build more hospitals, employ more staff.
The former seems like a good idea.
The latter I feel would add to our ever increasing black hole.
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The simple solution would be to charge a tenner to visit Q&E.0
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How is this 'obviously' the root cause? Our population is growing at a fraction of a percent each year - that should basically be the equivalent of a rounding error when judging A&E demand.
It's interesting how you can ascribe any problem to immigrants in the absence of any evidence. Do immigrants curdle your milk mysteriously at night as well?0 -
Generali, a tenner on top of what we already pay?? I have 40% of my salary taken out in tax, I really woudn't want to have to pay more on top of what I already pay for the very rare occassion that I might have to use these services0
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Obviously, you didn't notice the OP's avatar! That would have explained it...:cool:How is this 'obviously' the root cause?
Indeed the UK population is increasing due to net migration, but they choose to ignore the fact that those migrants do work, and so they overall pay through their taxes the healthcare they might need.
Unless of course UKIP claims that all those immigrants don't work but instead they all claim benefits (which has been proven wrong), or that they are far more illness-prone that the indigenous population.You wanna hear about my new obsession?
I'm riding high upon a deep recession...0 -
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Generali, a tenner on top of what we already pay?? I have 40% of my salary taken out in tax, I really woudn't want to have to pay more on top of what I already pay for the very rare occassion that I might have to use these services
well, not 40% exactly
but, how much of that tax amount goes to the NHS? only a fraction0 -
How is this 'obviously' the root cause? Our population is growing at a fraction of a percent each year - that should basically be the equivalent of a rounding error when judging A&E demand.
It's interesting how you can ascribe any problem to immigrants in the absence of any evidence. Do immigrants curdle your milk mysteriously at night as well?
Any idea on why the problem now exists then? Does the truth curdle your milk? Why say something so utterly stupid? Just to point out something I have repeatedly said - I am not anti -immigrant but against our current approach and policy to mass immigration. There is a clear difference between the two but some seem to be "easily" confused.Obviously, you didn't notice the OP's avatar! That would have explained it...:cool:
Ah yes of course.....that would explain it, or at least be an attempt to dismiss it on grounds of ignorance and prejudice.:cool:Indeed the UK population is increasing due to net migration, but they choose to ignore the fact that those migrants do work, and so they overall pay through their taxes the healthcare they might need.
They don't choose to ignore the facts that migrants work in any way shape or form. You have made a statement there that is completely untrue. It's interesting that many on here accuse others of ignoring facts........and then make stuff up.
The NHS is a major cost to us in supplying free treatment to EU nationals and their tax contributions are unlikely to ever cover the cost of even basic treatment.0 -
Funnily enough the shorter you make the queues at A&E and the more comfortable you make the waiting areas the more likely it is that people will choose this route to medical care, especially if you simultaneously increase the hurdles to seeing an out of hours doctor.
A while back DD fell off her bike and cut her forehaed, we could probably have sortd it out with a trip to the chemist but ith a local minor injuries unit it was a no brainer to take her down their for a short wait to have the wound cleaned and bandaged by a nurse and a check for concussion at the same time. If the option was a longer trip to A&E and a 4 hour wait then we would probably have just gone to the chemist...
Whilst the OP is clearly talking rubbish re the impact of immigrants (if you exclude most of those working as doctor's and nurses) one thing that is probably true is that those new to an area are less likely to be registered with a GP and aware of out of hours services so potentially more likely to resort to the very obvious and easy to access A&E.I think....0 -
Generali, a tenner on top of what we already pay?? I have 40% of my salary taken out in tax, I really woudn't want to have to pay more on top of what I already pay for the very rare occassion that I might have to use these services
Your tax could be reduced by a greater amount.
If you make something 'free' then it will still be paid for. I live in a country where we pay a small amount for medical access (most or all of which can be reclaimed) and I can always see a GP on the day I call for an appointment and the wait in my local A&E is a fraction of those I experienced in London.
Better service for less cost. The NHS is terrible because it's free. It being free costs billions of pounds.0 -
How is this 'obviously' the root cause? Our population is growing at a fraction of a percent each year - that should basically be the equivalent of a rounding error when judging A&E demand.
Aging population is the biggest problem. People used to die in hospital at a far younger average age. Now there's a high probability that an ailment can be treated and an individuals life extended. After care ties up resources , beds, staff etc. A reflection of a changing lifestyle and breakdown of community life in the UK also results in people remaining in hospital for far longer.0
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