Accident & Emeregcny Demand unsustainable...

Sampong

GhIFA wrote: »

Just so we're clear then, I'll take it from this response you're accepting your statement is a load of tosh, and you've got nothing to back it up.

No - we're not clear. You can take whatever you want from my response. Makes no difference to me. But no, I don't accept what I say is a load of tosh. If you really want something to back it up pay a visit to any A & E department in the East of England. Speak to the some of the nurses there.

The responses may surprise you.

Of course witnessing it with your own eyes still won't be good enough for you, because it's not a "stat".

Mr._Pricklepants

Have you visited many A&E departments in the East of England then, Sam?
Do you do so as part of your profession, or as a hobby?

robmatic

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Have you visited many A&E departments in the East of England then, Sam?
Do you do so as part of your profession, or as a hobby?

He doesn't need to, he just knows.

GhIFA

Sampong wrote: »

No - we're not clear. You can take whatever you want from my response. Makes no difference to me. But no, I don't accept what I say is a load of tosh. If you really want something to back it up pay a visit to any A & E department in the East of England. Speak to the some of the nurses there.

The responses may surprise you.

Of course witnessing it with your own eyes still won't be good enough for you, because it's not a "stat".

No surprise responses, I am related to a number of nurses, and other medical professionals - I am well aware of the pressures that currently face the NHS. And again (I'll say it again, as you don't seem to have grasped it), I do not disagree that it is a contributing factor - I am asking you to qualify your assertion that mass immigration is the root cause of the problems being faced, because that is what you claimed - so far you haven't, because you can't, because it isn't.

Sampong

GhIFA wrote: »

No surprise responses, I am related to a number of nurses, and other medical professionals - I am well aware of the pressures that currently face the NHS. And again (I'll say it again, as you don't seem to have grasped it), I do not disagree that it is a contributing factor - I am asking you to qualify your assertion that mass immigration is the root cause of the problems being faced, because that is what you claimed - so far you haven't, because you can't, because it isn't.

I've pointed this out to you several times now but hey what the hell......one more for luck;

Sampong wrote: »

However this is always left out of any "report"

This is kind of the point I am trying to make - that the government fail to report openly and honestly which is why specific, quantified data may or may not be available.

It's the job of the government to check on these issues and resolve where necessary, and to address public concern (like mine).

Yet you keep banging on about asking me to post reams of evidence to back up what I say. Why on earth I need to do this to satisfy your needs is beyond me at this moment in time. Can you prove otherwise? In fact - please post evidence that this is not the case............because I have asked you to;)

If you can't, or choose not to I will accept that response as acknowledgement that it is likely to be either one of the root causes or a major contributing factor.

I also know a number of nurses and the sentiment that they express to me is close to what I say. Up the chain at management level things are a little different because they need to tow the party line.......

StevieJ

GhIFA wrote: »

No surprise responses, I am related to a number of nurses, and other medical professionals - I am well aware of the pressures that currently face the NHS. And again (I'll say it again, as you don't seem to have grasped it), I do not disagree that it is a contributing factor - I am asking you to qualify your assertion that mass immigration is the root cause of the problems being faced, because that is what you claimed - so far you haven't, because you can't, because it isn't.

I do hear relatives who are medical professionals complaining about the wards being clogged up with immigrants (mainly african asylum seekers I think?) suffering from exotic diseases, ironically not many from the so called influx of European immigrants.

Thrugelmir

Pennywise wrote: »

Nothing to do with GPs who only want to work office hours M-F then?

Not a question of GP's working more hours. Just being paid less. So more GP's can be employed in total.

An issue that affects many vocations. As people are simply overpaid for their real contribution to society and/or the economy.

GhIFA

It's not up to me to provide evidence, I'm not the one who started a thread with the claim that immigrants are THE root cause of all of the problems facing A&E departments with nothing to back that up and is now trying to back track by claiming it is just one of the causes (which, for the 4th time I accept). It doesn't matter how many times you say it is left out - if you have evidence then tell us, or maybe it's left out because its not THE root cause and you just made that bit up......

I haven't missed anything, you're position is quite clear - you'll use anything to have a pop at immigrants and push your agenda - so you'll make wild statements and not feel you have to back them up. You may have voted a party that managed to win some council seats, doesn't mean the rubbish you peddle is any more accurate though.

GhIFA

StevieJ wrote: »

I do hear relatives who are medical professionals complaining about the wards being clogged up with immigrants (mainly african asylum seekers I think?) suffering from exotic diseases, ironically not many from the so called influx of European immigrants.

Yes, I can believe that. As I've said, I am not denying it is a problem and one of the factors causing current problems. My issue is with the OP's assertion that this is the root cause, ignoring all the other factors that contribute.

olly300

StevieJ wrote: »

I do hear relatives who are medical professionals complaining about the wards being clogged up with immigrants (mainly african asylum seekers I think?) suffering from exotic diseases, ironically not many from the so called influx of European immigrants.

Your relatives must work in infectious diseases and medicine then. Also some of the diseases your relatives are complaining about are actually not that rare in the ethnic population and their descendants who have been in Britain since the end of World War II.

I have relatives and friends who work in a wide variety of disciplines and in different areas of London and the SE.

Depending on what area they are in and their speciality indicates whether they will see a lot of refugees and recent immigrants.

On my last visit to A&E in my local hospital there were no problems being seen within 45 minutes. Why?

I live with in a place with a university so there are plenty of non-EU foreign students. Foreign students are warned that they need insurance and won't be treated on the NHS. In addition there are plenty of GPs, and two nurse run minor injury clinics within 5 miles so the only people who attend A&E are actual emergencies. (Plus the normal cohort of drunks on a Friday and Saturday night)

There as in a hospital 9 miles away the A&E is full of refugees and immigrants. People there don't understand how to sign up with a GP. GPs also don't want to work in that particular area. (4 people I know who have worked at that hospital and 2 who are GPs have explained the issues with that particular area.)

There is an issue with maternity care in all areas but that is mainly due to poor government planning. It also doesn't help that they are trying to close down a maternity unit in one of the 4 hospitals near me to save money when all the maternity units are over stretched.