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Sampong

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

You probably confused us by stating a while ago that immigrants poo in our parks and eat our swans.

Please show me - exactly where I said that Immigrants poo in our parks. What I have always pointed out is that with an open door immigration policy, where you have no control over the character of the people who come here, you get (unsuprisingly) a rise in anti-social behaviour.

I never said immigrants as a whole poo in parks, but what I did do is state that, in areas, like mine where there is a high concentration of Eastern European immigrants that unfortunately a small number are leaving presents in public places and on private land. This is happening whether you like it or not. It is of course isolated to a small percentage of the migrant population but it is an unpleasant issue which I am afraid has become a problem for some.

The way you write your post though - you are claiming that I say this about all migrants. You are nothing but a cheap liar.

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Or your sweeping statement that Romanians and Bulgarians are thieving beggars.

Once again, please show me where I said all Romanians and Bulgarians are thieving beggars. Go on - I challenge you. What I did do is provide a link to met police crime statistics showing a high proportion of arrests amongst this group, and point out there may well be an increase in crime starting from 2014 if these figures are anything to go by. But nowhere, not ever did I make a sweeping statement that all Romanians/Bulgarians are thieving beggars.

So go on then pricklepants - go through every one of my posts and show where I said this.

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

I must admit you have cleaned up your act and language a bit,but it's clear to all it's just a thin layer of veneer. It still smells though.

I've actually made no changes to my "act" or "language" as there was nothing to "clean up". What you can smell is enimating from those false claims and lies that you have written about me above. I believe it's called bull$$$$.

olly300

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Rather than the gp emergency clinics or your nearest walk in centre?

Not everyone in the country has one near them so they are stuck with A&E.

The GP system is a mess.

Again it's not helped by patients wasting GPs time and GPs not doing examinations or listening to patients' symptoms properly. I was at the point where I was going to go and pay for a private blood test luckily the Nurse Practitioner was on the ball.

Sampong

resilie wrote: »

36% of all doctors registered with the GMC are foreign trained and 87 000 of the 660 000 registered nurses are foreign. The NHS would collapse overnight without immigrants. Also they are more willing to work in less popular places- I have seen remote hospitals up in Scotland that have an extremly high percentage of foreign doctors working there as NO British doc can be bothered to live and work there.

First of all, I am referring to patients, not staff. I am referring to the fact that new arrivals are adding to the population faster than the NHS can expand to meet the demand.

Secondly, you may want to rethink your statement that the NHS would collapse overnight without immigrants. It is a ridiculous assertion and one that is questioned here;

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/269#jump9

9. ‘The NHS would collapse without immigrants’

Probably but, obviously, no one is suggesting that they should be expelled. In fact, even at the peak of arrivals, medical staff were never more than 5% of immigration. The reason they were needed is that we failed to train our own staff. Other major countries in Europe have only about 5 or 6% of foreign qualified doctors, whereas we have more like 30%.[11]

Key point - no-one, including me, is suggesting that they be expelled - like you are trying to infer I am.

wymondham

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Rather than the gp emergency clinics or your nearest walk in centre?

This is Norfolk, we're lucky to have witch doctors!

PasturesNew

I was watching one of those "24 hours in A&E" type of programmes earlier in the week and they had to go out to a pregnant woman who was having contractions. Ambulance driver said "they've had 9 months warning about this, why didn't they call a taxi?"

tomterm8

If I were a taxi driver I wouldn't want someone giving birth in the back of my taxi.

PasturesNew

tomterm8 wrote: »

If I were a taxi driver I wouldn't want someone giving birth in the back of my taxi.

It can't be any worse than people throwing up.... and you can "fine" them.

globalds

What has me worried is that there is more than enough information in the system to find the cause of this rather alarming trend.
It is either something that is a mystery ..Which has me concerned the health service is just really badly run and the left hand has no idea what it or any other organ is doing.
Or certain people do know what it is that is causing ripples in the health service and it is being held from the public because it either benefits or hurts someone's agenda.

BobQ

Sampong wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22460741

There are various contributing factors to this, such as public ignorance abusing A & E by attending for minor illnesses rather than seeing their GP or just drinking a hot toddy when they have a cold.

But probably the biggest contributing factor is population growing at an exponential rate through mass immigration. However this is always left out of any "report" even though it is the root cause of the problem.

There seem to be a couple of basic options;

*curb the flow of mass immigration
*pump more taxpayer money into the NHS, build more hospitals, employ more staff.

The former seems like a good idea.

The latter I feel would add to our ever increasing black hole.

Obviously its all the fault of immigrants. The UKIP answer to every question.

Maybe its just a case of NHS management failing to staff the A&Es at critical workloads? Or the failure of Government to fund the service.

I think there are enough hospitals, Blair and Brown did at least see to that.

Sampong

BobQ wrote: »

Obviously its all the fault of immigrants. The UKIP answer to every question.

Once again someone trying to twist the point which I am putting across.

I didn't say it was the fault of the immigrants. That would be singling them out. That is what you are trying to suggest I am doing.

What I am suggesting is that mass uncontrolled immigration is a contributing factor to this. That is a criticism of government policy - not immigrants themselves.

BobQ wrote: »

Maybe its just a case of NHS management failing to staff the A&Es at critical workloads? Or the failure of Government to fund the service.

That is a fair and good point, but I don't think it is just down to that. Incidentally, UKIP have a policy to streamline the NHS and clean up procurement and management. So UKIP's answer to every question is not "it's the fault of the immigrants". In fact, I cannot ever remember them giving that as an answer. You made it up.