An "unprecedented and historic result"

Sampong

I'm so happy I cannot speak.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Unprecedented and historic?

Yup - that's right Hamish.

Join us and REJOICE :beer:

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

UKIP would only die out if:

A) The EU fell apart and no longer existed.
We left the Euro
C) The problems faced by people in this country by immigration and the Euro area dissipated.

None of that is happening. It's all growing.

When did we join :eek:

ruggedtoast

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Indeed.

And this is where the UKIP will be extremely powerful and useful. It's something Farage has openly stated. He did it on This Week last night infact.

His aim is to change the main 3 parties. It's to change the way that the main 3 parties are career politicians, who have never had a long term job in "the real world". His aim is to represent the people at a local level and push through reform to the main parties. His aim is to cut out the crap (his own words) and inform us of the real facts. He does this very well and leaves all 3 parties struggling on panel items such as question time.

I don't think the UKIP want power and have never ever said they do. Farage is often pushed on this question but he always says the same thing, he wants to change politics, not necessarily run it.

There are many ways this could be achieved. A coalition is one. Seats is another.

Whatever anyone says though, they ARE changing mainstream politics. Would we have the promise of a referendum without them? Almost certainly not. That promise may well be false, but that would be a death sentence for the tories. They are being cornered and they have having to change and listen to us.

Of course their aim ultimately is to leave Europe and cut down immigration. They do not, however, need to be in power to force this through. They know this and they have stated this.

So talking about them taking power and their inability to do so misses the point entirely, though may provide some comfort to some.

No mainstream, globalised, neo-liberal government will allow a definitive referendum that would lead to the UK withdrawing from the EU. It is quite simply too valuable to the interests of the people they actually represent.

If Farage wants out of the EU he is going to have to go all the way to get it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

I'm so happy I cannot speak.

EXCELLENT NEWS.

Please stay happy for a while then.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I appreciate any political movement that shakes up the dull red vs blue monotony.

Immigration is an issue that MPs of all parties have consistently ignored legitimate concerns about (specifically housing, school places, classroom languages, GP availability etc, not that we're all massive racists who hate forrens).

I would never waste my vote on a single issue party though. I know UKIP does have a ragbag of other policies, but they have the air of being hastily cobbled together filler behind their main anti-EU thrust. They need to do more than rant about windfarms.

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Indeed.

And this is where the UKIP will be extremely powerful and useful. It's something Farage has openly stated. He did it on This Week last night infact.

His aim is to change the main 3 parties. It's to change the way that the main 3 parties are career politicians, who have never had a long term job in "the real world". His aim is to represent the people at a local level and push through reform to the main parties. His aim is to cut out the crap (his own words) and inform us of the real facts. He does this very well and leaves all 3 parties struggling on panel items such as question time.

I don't think the UKIP want power and have never ever said they do. Farage is often pushed on this question but he always says the same thing, he wants to change politics, not necessarily run it.

There are many ways this could be achieved. A coalition is one. Seats is another.

Whatever anyone says though, they ARE changing mainstream politics. Would we have the promise of a referendum without them? Almost certainly not. That promise may well be false, but that would be a death sentence for the tories. They are being cornered and they have having to change and listen to us.

Of course their aim ultimately is to leave Europe and cut down immigration. They do not, however, need to be in power to force this through. They know this and they have stated this.

So talking about them taking power and their inability to do so misses the point entirely, though may provide some comfort to some.

This post is absolutely spot on.

Michael Portillo had a pop didn't he despite being a huge Eurosceptic - Farage shut him up though. He was bang on when he questioned Portillo as to why discussing mass immigration is right wing (it's not).

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

EXCELLENT NEWS.

Please stay happy for a while then.

I'm sure I can force a few words out. I'll do it just for you.

StevieJ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

People are concerned about Europe and immigration but they are much more concerned about globalisation (of which these are part), and the way the rich merrily dance round all our national legislation while normal working people are hammered with enormous tax bills to fund their endeavours, while the bedrock of community and stable employment collapses around us to accommodate the mates of people who end up in Westminster.

First time I have heard that obnoxious historian person make a valid comment when he expressed his views on globalisation during QT last night.

Sampong

Hey Hamish - can you remember when you posted that b*llo**s that you thought conclusively proved that Immigration was vital to the nations finances?

What a Faux Pas that was. Join me in having a good old laugh at it.:rotfl:

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