An "unprecedented and historic result"

TruckerT

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Immigration is having an impact on low skilled jobs, the health service, schools, housing costs

There are lots of statistics which say otherwise. Take your pick.

TruckerT

Thrugelmir

TruckerT wrote: »

There are lots of statistics which say otherwise. Take your pick.

TruckerT

You didn't give me any choices.

TruckerT

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You will be voting to leave the EU and reduce immigration in the main

That is a very limited manifesto.

TruckerT

Graham_Devon

TruckerT wrote: »

That is a very limited manifesto.

TruckerT

Of course it is.

That's the only aim. They don't aim to take power. Thety aim to get us out of the EU and to reduce immigration ASAP.

They actively call on the government to bring the referendum forward. A referendum would destroy UKIP. They are not stupid. They have one aim. Once the aim is achieved, they are toast. It's all about the aim and changing the main 3 parties to get it.

Thrugelmir

TruckerT wrote: »

That is a very limited manifesto.

TruckerT

Start somewhere. You can't reverse what's happened, but you can affect the direction of the future.

TruckerT

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Of course it is.

That's the only aim. They don't aim to take power. Thety aim to get us out of the EU and to reduce immigration ASAP.

They actively call on the government to bring the referendum forward. A referendum would destroy UKIP. They are not stupid. They have one aim. Once the aim is achieved, they are toast. It's all about the aim and changing the main 3 parties to get it.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Start somewhere. You can't reverse what's happened, but you can affect the direction of the future.

Those are two interestingly opposing views. But I think Nigel is getting a taste for the high life!

TruckerT

Graham_Devon

TruckerT wrote: »

Those are two interestingly opposing views. But I think Nigel is getting a taste for the high life!

TruckerT

Not really opposing views.

UKIP want two main things. They have to start somewhere. They started somewhere and right before your eyes, politics has changed today. For the first time in over a century we have 4 main parties.

There is absolutely nothing to stop UKIP taking power. But currently, that is not their aim.

If they did aim to take power, the party would change radically. They would stop calling for Cameron to bring the referendum forward (making their party irrelevant int he process) for a start. But you need to give them time to grow before slamming them for not being able to take power.

I doubt you would do the same about the Green party.

UKIP could also be a good local party choice. They simply looked at what mattered to people. They campaigned on potholes. You may laugh at that, but they stood there and said, "look, we can't change everything, but we can start on the things that matter".

They don't promise they world. They state what they can and can't do. It seems people appreciate the honesty over the false promises.

TruckerT

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Not really opposing views.

UKIP want two main things. They have to start somewhere. They started somewhere and right before your eyes, politics has changed today. For the first time in over a century we have 4 main parties.

There is absolutely nothing to stop UKIP taking power. But currently, that is not their aim.

If they did aim to take power, the party would change radically. They would stop calling for Cameron to bring the referendum forward (making their party irrelevant int he process) for a start. But you need to give them time to grow before slamming them for not being able to take power.

I doubt you would do the same about the Green party.

UKIP could also be a good local party choice. They simply looked at what mattered to people. They campaigned on potholes. You may laugh at that, but they stood there and said, "look, we can't change everything, but we can start on the things that matter".

They don't promise they world. They state what they can and can't do. It seems people appreciate the honesty over the false promises.

I agree about the potholes!

Believe it or not, I have been exchanging a few emails with UKIP head office trying to get some answers about their policies on the bigger issues, but they don't seem to have any.

I understand that they have been surprised by their own rapid growth, but even tonight on PM, Eddie Mair was asking no questions of Nigel Farage about UKIP's plans for a general election campaign.

There has indeed been a major jolt to the political landscape, and neither the politicians nor the commentators have come to terms with it yet. The grovelling responses of people like Mr Pickles made me cringe.

UKIP have a great deal to do between now and 2015.

TruckerT

Generali

mcfisco wrote: »

It's difficult to preach to the BRICs when we still push out much more per capita than they do although we're bringing it down

as for Australia :eek:

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=en_atm_co2e_pc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:AUS:CHN:BRA:GBR:IND&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=australia+carbon+emissions

Indeed, however that measures carbon emissions where they are made rather than where the output is consumed.

If I buy a T-Shirt that was made in China, am I or the Chinese responsible for the carbon emitted. I would say that I am but those stats say the Chinese are.

Australia produces huge quantities of minerals that are turned into stuff overseas and consumed in a third country. Who is responsible for that carbon output?

Generali

If there's one good thing about the election result it's that DLW is keeping his head down.

IMHO it's a pretty amazing result. I think there's a good chance that UKIP will get the most votes at the Euros.

If UKIP are taking votes almost solely off the Tories, as was the belief amongst the more left leaning posters on here prior to the election, Tories + UKIP = a stonking majority for the Tories at the 2015 election if we assume that UKIP 'Tories' would rather vote Tory and get a Tory Government than vote UKIP and get a Labour Government.

If UKIP are taking votes off Labour too, it seems very hard to see what areas of potential overlap there are between Labour and UKIP ideology (I don't use the word 'policies' as UKIP have few policies and Labour appear to have none). I think Labour's only choice here is to ignore UKIP entirely and hope they go away. That's a pretty risky electoral strategy IMHO. Labour appear the big losers to me from all this.