Noisy kids upstairs, should the previous owner disclose this when selling? Help pleas

wannahouse

Mojisola wrote: »

I'm not sure how you got from children "taking a break" to "sitting them in front of the TV all day".

Children can't always run about the place at will - they certainly wouldn't be allowed to at school. I never had any issue with getting our children to settle down at points during the day with quiet activities - reading, crafts, cooking, some TV, and so on.

if they were school age kids , they' be at school, wouldn't they??
they are obviously toddlers, and toddlers are heavier toddling around clumsily, so although you might hear them moving about through the floor, they may actually not be "running" around the house..i know there was certainly not room to run in our flat, even for a kid!
i'm sure they are quiet for periods during the day, with naps etc..no kid runs about all day...
i think that the OP is finding that the NORMAL AND EXPECTED amount of noise that a young child would make, is bothering him, which is FAIR ENOUGH, imo, being someone sensitive to other peoples noise in close enviroments, hence, why i no longer live like that, but you can't harrass a normal family doijg normal things constantly, or they would actualy have a right to report you, for harrassment..they are doing nothing illegal and they don't sound to be unreasonable people or asking for trouble, so i'm sure like most reasonable people they HAVE done what they can to lower the noise, if nothing else but to save themselves grief from constant complaining...

you can't make someone else change what they do, especially if they are nt doing anything wrong, so the most obvious solution if you can't cope with it, is to choose a different option for yourself..

I WOULD BE BOTHERED by hearing people banging around upstairs too, whoever they were, so the OP has my sympathies,but if they aren't doing anything wrong, you either put up or shut up..

jingledoghere

olly300 wrote: »

Phone them up and ask straight out - Have you recorded any disputes between me and my neighbours?

The fact you said you wanted to talk to the landlord first means it shouldn't be recorded especially as you didn't complain again.

BTW when you are selling you risk prospective buyers coming round when the children are running around.

Yes I know. So I am so reluctant to put it sell which can cost money and times again. This flat more better suit someone who work 9-5 normally, but definitely not for me.

Fire_Fox

wannahouse wrote: »

thats just the thing firefox.. YOU HAD AN OUTSIDE TO PLAY IN!
kids in a flat don't!
most flats would have a no pet policy..you can't exactly ban children, can you?

the authoritiesbthink children making noise indoors is acceptable- hence not enforcing anything.. thats just life in crowded surroundings and particulary difficult on children...
what a rubbish life for kids,,but if that is all you can afford, what can you do? put a muzzle on your kids ad drug them so they are quiet and don't move around?

Nice assumption. We had a flat when I was small, then a house with a garden which was primarily vegetables, fruit, chickens and rabbits, all of which we ate so no running and playing. I preferred being indoors, my sibling preferred playing in the street, down side alleys and in front of garages. We also had the 'joy' of spending time on the allotment, parents grew yet more veg there. My aunt lived in a high rise flat, my grandparents back garden was 100% fruit and veg, so we played quietly indoors or went to the park. We were not permitted to disturb the neighbours when staying with them, which we did every summer, alternate easter and Xmas holidays.

As I said in an earlier post, "They are not responsible for crying, walking or noises of calm activity but they are responsible for taking their children outside to burn off steam if they cannot stop them running, jumping and screaming". There are parks and other free entertainment opportunities otherwise entertain them at home. It's known as parenting, something that seems to have been replaced with media gadgets these days. Maybe it was 'easier' for my parents because they fed us a decent diet instead of being hyped up on chemical and sugar laden rubbish.

Most flats do not have a no pets policy, that is considered an unfair and unenforceable clause, they can only have no pets without consent which cannot be withheld unreasonably. If you can train a pet to behave you can certainly train a child with a higher intellect, no?

Torry_Quine

wannahouse wrote: »

thats just the thing firefox.. YOU HAD AN OUTSIDE TO PLAY IN!
kids in a flat don't!
most flats would have a no pet policy..you can't exactly ban children, can you?

the authoritiesbthink children making noise indoors is acceptable- hence not enforcing anything.. thats just life in crowded surroundings and particulary difficult on children...
what a rubbish life for kids,,but if that is all you can afford, what can you do? put a muzzle on your kids ad drug them so they are quiet and don't move around?

I am now living in my third flat and all of them had a garden so it's not always as you stated.

That said I think that expecting children to be quiet is not realistic in any way.

jingledoghere

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Yes I can really see the logic in spending thousands moving instead of trying to resolve the problem. They are tenants, they could move at any time. It's not necessarily a dispute unless there is a complaint.

I got your point here. I do wish they could move out but seems unlikely in near future. Their landlord said they may stay a couple of years:eek: And I do feel the landlord doesn't want to get involved anyway. he encourage me to talk to them or just report to the council .So of course he won't take responsibility to do the soundproof or make carpet etc.

wannahouse

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Nice assumption. We had a flat when I was small, then a house with a garden which was primarily vegetables, fruit, chickens and rabbits, all of which we ate so no running and playing. I preferred being indoors, my sibling preferred playing in the street, down side alleys and in front of garages. We also had the 'joy' of spending time on the allotment, parents grew yet more veg there. My aunt lived in a high rise flat, my grandparents back garden was 100% fruit and veg, so we played quietly indoors or went to the park. We were not permitted to disturb the neighbours when staying with them, which we did every summer, alternate easter and Xmas holidays.

As I said in an earlier post, "They are not responsible for crying, walking or noises of calm activity but they are responsible for taking their children outside to burn off steam if they cannot stop them running, jumping and screaming". There are parks and other free entertainment opportunities otherwise entertain them at home. It's known as parenting, something that seems to have been replaced with media gadgets these days. Maybe it was 'easier' for my parents because they fed us a decent diet instead of being hyped up on chemical and sugar laden rubbish.

Most flats do not have a no pets policy, that is considered an unfair and unenforceable clause, they can only have no pets without consent which cannot be withheld unreasonably. If you can train a pet to behave you can certainly train a child with a higher intellect, no?

the fact is, arguments aside, the law does not support penalising children who are too noisy for neighbours in their every day life, so despite what we think or all the arguments we can throw back and forth, its not going to help the op, is it, with "they should`' or "back when i was a young tike..." kind of stories...

it will not change, he can't really do anything about it, barr harrass the neighbours and give the parents a mental breakdown due to stress, so he has to figure out where he wants to live to have a peaceful life...
we too, worked from home from our flat, so the annoyances grated on us constantly, and my stress only ceased when we left that environment, thank god!!!

wannahouse

jingledoghere wrote: »

I got your point here. I do wish they could move out but seems unlikely in near future. Their landlord said they may stay a couple of years:eek: And I do feel the landlord doesn't want to get involved anyway. he encourage me to talk to them or just report to the council .So of course he won't take responsibility to do the soundproof or make carpet etc.

another bug bear i have is that developers here, really share a large part of the blame, building or converting places to minimum noise specs so that someone can't even flatulate without the neighbours hearing..it really does cause alot of friction between neighbours, when a lot of noise could have been eliminated had someone bothered to do the job properly in the first place!

olly300

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Yes I can really see the logic in spending thousands moving instead of trying to resolve the problem. They are tenants, they could move at any time. It's not necessarily a dispute unless there is a complaint.

You presume the landlord will be co-operative.

Currently (the OP hasn't pointed to clauses in their lease so cannot say otherwise) there is no legal basis to the OP's complaint.

Children are legally allowed to run, play, cry and shout in their homes. If it disturbs the neighbours - tough.

Adults aren't allowed to do this.

So in the case of one of my friend's when a couple of adults decided they couldn't take their shoes of to walk around the flat above them in the night-time and ignored their complaints and their landlord's warnings - the landlord and estate agent co-operated and asked the tenants to leave at the end of their tenancy contract.

In my case my adult neighbour who played loud music at night was warned that if she continued she would be evicted in the same fashion. She didn't continue. However in my case I had to get EHO involvement plus the freeholder as the landlord refused to co-operate.

principa

The OP has no right trying to dictate acceptable behaviour of someone else's toddlers or even children. The only people who do are those entrusted by the parents (teachers etc.).

Lesson in life: Criticize another's parenting at your peril !

Advice to OP: Apologise to the parents.

geoffky

Fancy getting noise from boxes built on top of each other....
Who would of thought it..